Conveyancing Strategies employed by Landlords to Circumnavigate the Penal Laws from The Bantry Estate Records Relaxation and Catholics Using Rent Charges to Vote in Barony of Carbery early 19th Century.

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Conveyancing Strategies employed by Landlords to Circumnavigate the Penal Laws from The Bantry Estate Records Relaxation and Catholics Using Rent Charges to Vote in Barony of Carbery early 19th Century.

Wylie, The Authority on Irish Conveyancing Law,  states that an Irish statute of 1703 debarred Catholics from purchasing land  and limited the length of lease they could obtain to 31 years ; this statute has been said to have been a factor in the creation of leases for twenty to thirty years (sometimes longer) determinable on the expiration of three lives . This kind of lease was known as a Shelbourne lease. De Moleyns explains that these leases were made for lives and years determinable by collateral events such as the dropping of particular lives named in the lease. For example the lease could be for 99 years determinable on three lives, renewable forever. These leases were devised for the benefit of Catholics who were prohibited by the Penal Laws from purchasing freeholds.  These leases were therefore a combination of leasehold tenure (the length of the lease)  and a freehold estate ( the grant for lives).  Wylie again comments ” by choosing one’s lives carefully  so that they were unlikely to outlast the term of years and by making the term run concurrently one ended up with an estate for a certain term but which was freehold for as long as any one of the lives survived”.  A freehold estate carried the right to vote in elections which was an important factor for landlords, when casting a vote was a public act.   …Thanks to Brian Roche.

 

 

The loosening of the electoral laws from 1790 gave Catholics in restricted circumstances the right to vote.  In Bantry and Durrus there was a concerted and ultimately successful campaign to register tenants in the Liberal Interest.  This was allied with Anti Tithe Agitation and Repeal.

Voting 1835, Freemen of Cork, Leaseholders entitled to Vote, Baronies of West Carbery , Bantry and Bere:

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The smaller rents are cottiers or labourers.  There are quite a number of significant tenant many with multiple holdings.  This is only the immediate town of Bantry the whole estate stretched to Beara c 40,000 acres a lot mountain and bog.  The original land owners were largely in place the O’Sullivan acting as Middlemen.  From the early 19th century the finances of the estate were perilous in contrast many of the larger tenants Catholic as well as Protestant prospered.

Receiver appointed to Bantry Estate over rents June 1st 1837 re debt of £46,153 Leases Scheduled as part of exercise 
No Name Rent £ Shillings Pence Date of Lease Date
Lots 1-152, Bantry Town Holdings
1 Tim Sullivan 27.13,10 1823, 3 lives or 61 years
2 Jer Donovan 3.18.8 1824, 3 lives or 61 years
3 Denis Kearney? .11.1 1808, 1 life or 21 years
4 John Costigan .11.1 1817, 2 lives or 21 years
5 Owen McCarthy .7.7
6 John Goodwin 2.10.
7 John J. Flynn 1.16.10 1812, 3 lives
8 Owen Sheehy .11.1 1817
9 Denis Hurley .11.1 1817, 3 lives
10 John B. Corkery? .11. 1817, 3 lives
11 Tim Keohane .11.1 1817, 3 lives
12 Judith Riordane 1.1. 1808, 1 life or 21 years
13 Corns Sullivan 1.1. 1816, 1 life or 21 years
14 Mercy/Manny? White 1.2.1 1814, 1 life or 21 years
15 Margaret Moynihane .11.1 1817, 3 lives
16 Denis Bohane .11.1
17 Denis Cremeen .11.1
18 Owen Sullivan 1.1
19 John Barry 1.12.1 1 life or 21 years
20 Francis Banfield .11.1 1817, 1 life or 21 years
21 Edward Blake 2.2 3 lives
22 J.B. Corkery? 2.2 1818, 3 lives
23 Denis Shea 2
24 John B..ery 40
25 Jer Sullivan 1.1 1805, 3 lives
26 John Sullivan .11.1
27 Elias Helen 1.1. 1813, 3 lives Pawnbrokers? associated with Trenwiths of Rooska originally then Beara, also probably Cork
28 Julia Timpler? 1.1.0
29 David Sullivan 1.2.1
30 Tim Sullivan 1.1.
31 Tim Donovan 1.1
32 Tim Shea 1.1 1809, I life or 21 years
33 Cors McNamara 1.5.
34 The …John Kingston 27.13.10 3 lives
35 Richard Willis 12.0.0
36 William Mealy 5.2.11 1817, 3 lives renewable for 41 years
37 John Young Robert 10.12.4 1812, 3 lives or 61 years
38 Reps John Blackford 16.6.6
39 James? Ferguson 1.1.0 1812 3 lives Family probably originated in Clashadoo, Durrus
40 Sam Willis 16.0.0 1832, 99 years
41 Tim Sullivan 8.8.0 1812, 3 lives and 31 years
42 Sam Helen 1.1.0 1814, 3 lives
43 Dan Donovan 7.7.9 1824, 3 lives
44 John Clerke 8.6.2 3 lives and 31 years Post Master?
45 Ml? Sullivan 8.8.0 1791, 3 lives
46 David Kirby 4.10.0 1813, 3 lives Half pay officer?
47 Garret Barry 9.4.7 1825, 3 lives Doctor married Blair?
48 Thomas Crowley 28.13.3 1825, 3 lives and 61 years
49 Thomas Jenkins 9.4.7 1812, 3 lives and 61 years
50 John Slattery 2.2.0 1817, 3 lives
1 Charles Bant 1.1.0 1812 lives renewable
2 Sam Young 3.13.10 1817, or 137 years
3 Jas Cripps 4.4.0 1821 3 lives or 61 years
4 John Bird Junior 9.4.7 1825, 3 lives or 61 years
5 Morgan Connell 15.15.0 1812, 3 lives or 61 years
6 Robert Clarke .18.5 1746, 99 years
7 Mrs Kearney 5.10.9
8 Tim Murphy 5.10.9 1825, 3 lives
9 Arthur Hutchins 3.17.6
10 or 60? John B Corkery 10 1832, 99 years
1 Daniel Leahy 25.14.7 1786, 99 years
2 Richard White 134.8.6 1789, …..999 years
3 John Kingston 10.10. 1812, 61 years
4 Richard Clarke 6
5 Jer Donovan 21 1816, 3 lives
6 W M…..dy? 4.1 1769, 3 lives or 50 years
7 Reps MP O’Sullivan 5.10.9
8 Reps MP O’Sullivan 15.4.7 1824, 3 lives or 61 years
9 Ed Kearney? 1.1
10 or 30? John Croneen 8
1 Dr. McCarthy .18.5 1783, lives renewable for 99 years May be related to Alexander? McCarthy, Barrister, Bantry United Irishman with Surgeon O’Connor transported to Van Diemens land
2 John S(andys) Bird 7.1 Possibly John Sandys Bird
3 Jas Boyle or Burke? 1.1
4 Hayes and Harrington 1.1
5 Widow Harrington 1.2.9
6 Dl Hurley 2.2
7 Mrs. Blair 1.16.11 1783, 3 lives renewable for 99 years Of Durrus Blairs Cove family related by marrriage to Whites
8 Dan Donovan 2.17.9 1825, 3 lives
9 Tim Sullivan 1.1
20 Darby Doweny 1.1
1 William Gill 1.1 1795, 3 lives
2 Denis Harrington 1.11.6
3 Denis Sullivan 1.1
4 Dan Sullivan 3.131 1794, 3 lives
5 Margaret McCarthy 1.1
6 Young Lavers (Levis) 10.1 1812, 3 lives and 61 years
7 William Sullivan 2.2 1792, 3 lives and 61 years
8 Micahel Mahney 1.2.2 1814, 1 life or 21 years
9 Pat Murphy 1.4
90 Jer Neill 0.18.5
1 Dan Collins 1.16.11 1825, 3 lives adn 61 years
2 Tim Sullivan 1.14.
3 william Hutchinson 2.2. 1811, 3 lives
4 James Galway 1.16.11 1824, 3 lives and 61 years.
95 William Warner 1.1 1808, 1 life and 21 years Warners probably in Bantry since c 1600 elsewhere Richard White says good industrious people to be encouraged. Ancestors of Supervalue Musgarve family on female side.
6 Owen Callaghan 3.3.0 1816, 3 lives
7 John Sullivan 6.1
8 John Keogh 1.1.
9 1.10.0
100 Wiliam Young 2.1 Young family merchants, fish business in Bantry since early 1600s
101 Edward Moroney 1.1.0 1817, 3 lives renewable for 61 years
102 Thomas Young 7.7.0 1813, 3 lives renewable for 61 years
103 Richard White 0.9.3 Lives renewable
104 John Connell 5.5.0 1796 3 lives and 31 ears May be John O’Connell Esq. anti tithe repeal
105 John B. Corkery 2.2.0 1827, 3 lives
106 Michael Daly 0.9.3 1807, 3 lives
107 Mrs. Murphy 0.0.7 1808, 3 lives
108 Liutenant William Daly 0.0.11 1807, 3 lives Probably one of the 22 or so half pay officers, Post Napoleonic Wars in the Bantry area at the time on £40 p.a. Maybe one of Daly/Dealy family timber merchants and ship owners also in New Brunswick
9 Reps Smith 0.0.6
110 Thomas Sisk 0.0.11
1 James Mahony 2.2.0
2 Johh Godson 7.0.0
3 Tim Sullivan 2.2.0 1790, 3 lives
4 Tim Sullivan 3.3.10
5 Robert N(icholas) Bird 3.3.0
6 James Swanton 6.19.4 1821, 3 lives and 61 years
7 Clarke and Kingston 1.1.0 1816, 1 life or 21 years
8 P and J Gibbons 4.4.0 1808, 3 lives
9 Denis Slattery 1.1.0 1811, 3 lives
130 Mary Spenser 2.0.0
1 John S(andys) Bird 21.0.0
2 Tim Sullivan 8.8.0 1819, 3 lives or 61 years
3 Widow Ahern 1.1.0 1809, 1 life or 21 years
4 Murphy and Clerke 1.2.2
5 Ruth Barry 1.1.0
6 Richard Young 5.5.0 1825, 3 lives and 21 years
7 Richard Clarke 16.16.0 1812, 3 lives and 31 years
8 Same?? 5.1.6 1790, 3 lives
9 Robert Bird 9.9.2 1790, 3 lives
130 Richard Hoskins 0.10.6
1 Pat Murphy 0.11.1
2 Dan Murphy 0.9.3 1817, 3 lives
3 Francis Hurley 0.44.7 1796, 3 lives
4 Jehr Connor 1.1.0 1817, 3 lives
5 John Jagoe 13.6.8 1791, 3 lives or 41 years Probably fish Merchant later fishery Commissioner, Liberal Protestant, married O’Connor, father Dunmanway, mother Young of the Point fishng Family. likely store now where Maritime Hotel built.
6 Dominic Raycraft (Roycroft) 0.4.7 Probably Catholic branch of family common in Rooska.
7 Tim Sullivan 1.10.0
8 Widow Dowen??? 3.0.0
9 D and J Flynn 1.1.0
140 Richard Spenser 0.13.10 1822, 3 lives Name appears on Voter list
1 Tim Cadogan 6.6.0 1819, 3 lives
2 Dan Bryan 2.15.4 1819, 3 lives
3 Richard Clarke 0.13.10 1822, 3 lives and 61 years
4 Richard Doyle 1.1.0 1817, 3 lives and 61 years
5 Reveend Charles Smith 3.3.0 Vicar Bantry
6 Denis O’Leary 1010 1812, 3 lives and 61 years
7 Bird and Son 4.11.9 1770, 3 lives
8 James Mahony 15.15.0 1824, 3 lives and 61 years
9 William Young 20.6.2 1818, 3 lives and 31 years
150 Robert N(icholas) Bird 21.4.7 1812, renewable for 166 years
1 George Warner 1.10.0
152 Goodwin Young 12.0.0 1795, 3 lives
Total Rents 880.15.6
Tolls of the Town 150.0.0 Ancient Charter
1,030.15.6 Town fields next p. 6
Nos 153-194 Inclusive Town Fields
153 Charles McCarthy 0.12.6
154 Edmund Talbot 28.7.3
5 Young Lavers 17.3.4
6 Micahel Linehan 10.0.0
7 Same 20.0.0
8 Edward Moroney 1.7.8
9 Robert Bird 10.0.0
160 Jer. Collon 1.7.8 Collon? Cotton? The ‘Y’ are are crossed if Cotton
1 Jer Barriscale? 1.7.8
2 Dan Murphy 1.7.8
3 Tim Murphy 1.7.8
4 Corns Cnaugh 2.11.11
5 Morty Sullivan 0.18.5
6 Richard White 73.16.11
7 Ricahrd Clerke 5.10.9
8 Michael Flynn 3.13.14 1814, 1 life or 31 years
9 Jer. Sullivan 0.11.1
170 Denis Kennedy 3.0.0 1814, 1 life and 31 years
1 John Murphy 11.0.0
2 David Kirby 17.2.5 1812, 3 lives and 21years
3 John Shee 17.2.5 1812, 3 lives and 21 years
4 Philip Harrington 5.5.0 1814, 3 lives
5 Tim Sullivan 1.16.11
6 John B. Corkory 4.4.0 1789, 3 lives
7 Sam Helen 3.3.0
8 Ricahrd Clarke 3.3.0
9 Swanton? 2.6.2 1790, 3 lives
180 William Warner 1.16.11
1 Dan Collins 6.6.0
2 Edward Madden 2.15.4 1790. 3 lives and 61 years
3 Michael Sullivan 2.15.4 1790, 3 lives and 31 years May be of Hurrig family married Mary Vickery 1783 Whiddy, lived at Tedagh
4 Peter Dukelow 1.7.8 1791, 3 lives and 31 years
5 Sam Vickery 1.16.11 1810, 3 lives
6 Tim Sullivan 1.16.11 1790, 3 lives 31 years
7 John Godson 1.16.10
8 John Vickery 0.18.5 1791, 3 lives
9 Sam Vickery 0.18.5 1791, 3 lives
190 William warner 37.16.11
1 John Murphy 30.0.0
2 Robert Kenny 3-.9.3 1820, 3 lives
3 John B. Corkery 27.13.10
194 Same 9.7.10
£1,403.9.2

1819-1823. From Diary of The O’Donovan, General Richard O’Donovan, of Bawnlahan, (Bán Chlocháin), Skibbereen. Attempt to build new bridge at Bealkenmar (Béal Cinn Mara). Covenant in leases to fertilize with 4 boat of sea sand, he builds his own Sand Boat. Mr Hull calls with News of Failure of Roche’s and Leslies Bank in Cork. Bawnlahan Fair, Ascension Thursday. Flax grown on Estate. Various varieties of early Potato. Tree Planting , Landed by Boat from Cork. Whiteboys had been caught in a pitched battle with police and troops on January 25th nine had been found guilty of Insurrection Act and hanged.

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1822.  From Diary of  Richard O’Donovan, of Bawnlahan, (Bán Chlocháin), Skibbereen, Co. Cork, Ireland, said the Whiteboys had been caught in a pitched battle with police and troops on January 25th nine had been found guilty of Insurrection Act and hanged.  This was prompted by an Excise raid on a Poteen Making Operation which developed into a running battle with the Whiteboys.   Some Local Customs Personnel.

Attempt to build new bridge at Bealkenmar (Béal Cinn Mara). Covenant in leases to fertilize with 4 boat of sea sand, he builds his own Sand Boat. Mr Hull calls with News of Failure of Roche’s and Leslies Bank in Cork.

Cork Banking Collapses:

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1820.  Memorial to Lord Lieutenant by William Swanton, Gortnagrough, Ballydehob, West Cork. High Constable (Rate and Tax Collector), Barony of West Carbery For Relief on Losses Caused to Him in Banking Collapse when He had transmitted Due Amount to County Treasurer, Leslies, Stephen and Roches Bank, Supported by Lord Bantry and Magistrates Timothy O’Donovan (Durrus), William Hull (Schull), Richard Townsend (Skibbereen), Rev. Edward Jones Alcock (Durrus), Nathaniel Evanson (Durrus), Robert Kenny (Bantry). 1823 Application for Loan to Relieve Poor in Ballydehob, Which He founded.

1807, Failure of Cork Bank, Cotter and Kellets, with Liabilities of £420,000

Bawnlahan Fair, Ascension Thursday. Flax grown on Estate. Various varieties of early Potato. Tree Planting , Landed by Boat from Cork.

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Estates Maps of The O’Donovan (later Powell), 1727-1835, Bawnlahan, Parish of Myross, and Drinagh, all in Baronies of Carbery, West Cork, with some Tenant Listing and Features, Sand Quays, ‘Danish Fort’, Old Road to Ferry and Blind Harbour.

1729.  Daniel O’Donovan, (The O’Donovan) Bawnlahan, Leap, Skibbereen, Renounced Popery.  Late 1844 Sir Richard de Burgo.  Recanted at Castletownroche probably in connection with marriage.

Diary:

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Because of the Penal Laws his father Daniel O’Donovan conformed to the Church of Ireland in 1727. He married firstly Anne Kearney of Garrettstown House, Kinsale.

The O’Donovan’s mother was Jane Beecher who his father married as a widower in his 60s. She was between the age of 15 to 17. The following is from a Beecer relation:

Some really useful information there, especially the social events.  21. 1. 19 Fleming married at Brade.; that is the marriage of Lionel John Fleming to Eliza Townsend. The location is new to me.

31.8.19 M. Anne and Henry went in a car to dine at Brade on Miss Jervis’s marriage with Mr. Scot. This is the marriage of Mary Anne Jervois and William Scott.

25.2.20 Went to Hollybrook and attended the funeral of John Becher to Aughadown church. The date and place of John Becher’s funeral is new to me.

27.11.20 Sent my letter to Richard Edward Hull Esq [married to Henrietta Becher], congratulatory on the birth of his son and heir. Not a child known to me, so sadly, this baby probably died.

2.1.22 Johnston church (between Milford Haven and Haverfordwest). In this church yard my Aunt Evans was buried. [footnote 24]. This one was especially interesting to me, as “Aunt Evans” would be Elizabeth [nee Becher] Evans, wife of William Evans of Bulgaden Hall. I had no idea what happened to Elizabeth.

12.10. 22 Tom Somerville married to Miss Townsend. This is Colonel Thomas Somerville to Henrietta Augusta Townsend.

ON the O’Donovan’sdeath the tithe devolvd to his kinsman Morgan ‘Donovn whose descendant is the currrent The O’Donovan.

The estate of around 3,000 acres devolved to his wife the former Miss Powell from Wales. On her death it went to her nephew Colonel Powell. Apparent he was a fair landlord but not being an O’Donovan he was not hugely popular locally.

From Diary of Richard O’Donovan, of Bawnlahan, Skibbereen, Co. Cork, Ireland, said the Whiteboys had been caught in a pitched battle with police and troops on January 25th nine had been found guilty of Insurrection Act and hanged. This was prompted by an Excise raid on a Poteen Making Operation which developed into a running battle with the Whiteboys.

Quoted p. 50 in Donald McKay, ‘Flight from Famine’ The coming of the Irish to Canada’, Natural Heritage Books, Toronto, 2009.

Some Local Customs Personnel:

Skibbereen
1695Edward BoyleCollectorCustoms service in London 1701 referes to Mary widow of Edward who had been plundered of £600 by ‘Tories’ in 1695
Died 1849William BrickleyLate Customs and Excise
1806, diedJames CampbellGaugerGauger of up to 30 years
1851A. ChatfieldCollector C&ESigned ‘No Popery Petition 1851’
1848Michael DoyleComptroller Customs may be SkibbereenMarried Skib 1848 Mary Jane, 2nd daughter J. Crolwey, Surgeon.
1778-William HingstonEnglish Customs service later Light House Keeper Cape ClearWhitehall one of 21 children of Lt. Edward Hingston adn Lucia Small, he m Jane carroll 1897 she was botn Old Court, 1783-1837.
1864G. W. HughesCollectorSkibbereen Eagle
Dead pre 1791JonesCollectorDauaghter died 1791 he is ‘late’
1862Thomas H LoveReceiver of wrecksMarch sale of Frederick Brunner BantrySkibbereen EagleJohn H. Love married Mary Elizabeth Collins , Skibbereen, may be related, March 1842, eldest daughter of late Thomas Collins Esq.
1816 ReportEdward Pentland Surveyor of Excise £130 p.a., Ambrose Allisor, Peter Tatton, Gaugers £80 p.a.Edward kearney Schull Gaugher £80 pa
1739Luke MercerCommander Thompson adn Vessel BessrigCreagh, m Mary Townsend (widow of John Becher), later estate Brennanstown, Co. dublin
1867Mr. McIntoshInland Revenue OfficerTransfered to Castlepollard
1851H.H. LyoldComptroller, C&ESigned ‘No Popery Petition 1851’
1808Samuel MorrisCollector CustomsWife Sarah nee O’Donovan son Danile Kings Inns 1808 he then retiredMay be related to Benduff Morrises
1839Daniel O’ConnellExcise OfficerGiving evidence Ballydehob licencing prosecution
1860James O’DonovanFrom Skibbereen prominent in Exise in SwanseaDescended from O’Donovans of Myross one of the oldest in IrelandPikes Biography 1909
1846Michael Daly, Comptroller, Custom House, New road, James Lynch Tide waiter,
1829Laurence ReganCustoms manBantry voter registration. Regan, Laurence, High-st., Skibbereen, Custom-man2 Lives, townland of Gortnaclogh
1829John ReganCustoms ManBantry voter registration. Regan, John, High-st., Skibbereen, Custom-man2 Lives, townland of Gortnaclogh10b
1822Alleyn RocheTide waiter
1761Thomas SpaighCollectorUK Archives
1806 DiedEdward H TownsendCollectorDied at CastletownsendSaunder’s Newsletter 16th September 1806
1763John SweetnamSurveyor of Excise adn Gauger
1796John SweetnamSurveyorBridgetown, married Mrs Christina Attridge widow, dau of later Redmond Fitzgerald Esq., Cork CityHibernain Journal 1796
1840TownsendCollector
1775-1847Henry Owen Townsend TCDLandwaiter, Dublin, 1810Malmaison, Castletownsend, son John Mary Morris m Sarah Fenwick, Anne Homan, Vice Chairman Skibbereen Poor Law Union, Secretary Commissioners of Irish Fisheries 1820Col John Townsend Australia History item 223
1737-1810John Townsend TCDOne of His Majesties Commissioner’s of Revenue 1799ShepertonMP Dingle, Castlemartyr. Barrister
1851Augustus WarrenGaugerSigned ‘No Popery Petition 1851’
1781, 1790Richard Wright Esq.CollectorSon Samuel Townsend Wright Esq. married at Christchurch Cork to Miss Louisa Digby, 30th July 1790Rosemary FfoliottIt is likely that he got the Customs job throught the Townsend colllection
Crookhaven
According to legend the Hulls and Coughlas were intermittently involved in smugling
1700Thomas DyerTide WaiterReferred to in Dives Downes visitation
October 1707Complaint by William Lowdnes to Rev Com Ireland6 East India Company Ships arrived and broke bulk to prejudice of Customs RevenueBritish History Online
1788James McCarthy and Isaac BakerRevenue OfficialsDeed witnesses, O’Driscoll/McCarthy Middle MenTher is also a Baker family at the time tithe Proctors to the absentee rector, mortal enemies of newly appointed Daniel Coughlan in 1810s
c1820sMichael TisdallCustoms in EnglandRockhouse, Clifton, father Rev. Fitzgerald Tisdall, Rector Kiloe, Founder Crookhave Yeomanry Corps murdered Priest’s Leap, 1809
1759Goodwin SwiftToby Bernard, Mizen Journal 2004. Extract from letter of Godwin Swift (Customs Man), 16th May 1757 from Crookhaven ‘Now with regard to the place and provisions: you are to know that you see nothing here but mountains of rock (not cliffs) and yet those rocks are more dear to poor people or strangers as the lands within 2 miles of Dublin. There is here undoubtedly great plenty of fish, yet the people are so lazy they’d rather live on salt mackerel and potatoes then give themselves the trouble to take fresh fish. There is no garden stuff here, very bad mutton and lamb, and no beef, not a tree or even a shrub within 8 miles of the place….30th June 1757 ‘…nothing but rocky mountains around us for 20 miles, where not even a slide car can go the road, nor any other cattle than little horses bred and used to this country….you can’t conceive the wretchedness of it. We have neither bread to eat nor malt liquor wine or cider to drink, nor meat except a little mutton and bad lamb. Our liquor a bad toddy, our victuals potatoes and fish and lie in a cottage..
Baltimore
1656Roger HaughtonCollectorMay be from Shanagarry East Cork Penn Quaker connections
1732, 1753Richard Tonson Collector, possible JPFrancis Post died in affray, he Cutoms seized 80 anchors of Brandy from the sloop ‘Conerrt’ belonging to Murtogh mcwn Sullivan RossmacowenThe Sullivans and Thomas Trenwith attacked the Customs killing Thomas Post a Proclomation was issued for their seizureTonson may be an ilegetimate descendant of Hull
1820Patrick Harrington 32 years service Cockswain, Murtogh O’Sullivan 24 years service Cockswain,W Anderson Cockswain 40 years service Jeremiah Denshy 28 years service CockswainParliamentary Report 1820
November 1826 DiedHungerford Baldwin Esq.Port SurveyorDied at CastletownsendRosemary FFolliott
1840F Skuse Revenue Boatman, D Buchanan Boatman (Coast Guard) 28 years service retirement bodily debilityParliamentary Report 1840
1761Thomas SpraighCollector of BaltimoreFreedom of Cork 1761, brother-in-law Jhn Hely Hutchinson, MP, Provost Trinity College
1624James StanleySearcherPresent at Leamcon at seizure by Sir William Hull of cargo of Dutch Pirate Claes CampaneCaulfield’s Annals of Cork
1824SAM YOUNG,Surveyor, Bantry, Feb. 19.SAM YOUNG, Surveyor, Bantry, Feb. 19.Shipwreck

A glimpse of the 18th and early 19th century Linen/Flax Industry in Durrus and Schull, West Cork, from the Lost Census of 1766, 1821, 1841, 1851, with names Cole, Croston, Webb, Whitley, Johnson. 1836 Evidence of Father John Kelleher (Early Statistician) and Reverend Edward John Alcock both Durrus to Poor Laws (Ireland) relating to Spinning in Area.

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A glimpse of the 18th and early 19th century Linen/Flax Industry in Durrus and Schull, West Cork, from the Lost Census of 1766, 1821, 1841, 1851, with names Cole, Croston, Webb, Whitley, Johnson.  1836 Evidence of Father John Kelleher (Early Statistician) and Reverend Edward John Alcock both Durrus to Poor Laws (Ireland) relating to Spinning in Area.

Because of the topography of the Muintervara and Mizen Peninsulas  have escaped large scale commercial farming.  Even though reclamation has taken place a surprising amount of old features remain.  Contactors are often conscious of the local heritage and exercise care and caution.  One little known feature is that of flax ponds or retting holes.  In the general Durrus District they are to be found in Crottees, Coomkeen, and Brahalish, Coolculaghta and probably more and the same is likely in the Mizen District. Also some field names retain the association with flax growing…

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Extract from letter ‘Very Bad Mutton and Beef, you Can’t Conceive of the Wretchedness of it’, of Godwin Swift (Customs Man), 16th May 1757 from Crookhaven, West Cork, Ireland.

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1845, John Coughlan of Crookhaven, West Cork Owner of Whaler ‘The Wild Irish Girl’. Rescues Schooner British America (Canada) ‘Exile’.

Courtesy:

Toby Bernard, Mizen Journal 2004

Extract from letter ‘Very Bad Mutton and Beef, you Can’t Conceive of the Wretchedness of it’, of Godwin Swift (Customs Man), 16th May 1757 from Crookhaven, West Cork, Ireland.

‘Now with regard to the place and provisions: you are to know that you see nothing here but mountains of rock (not cliffs) and yet those rocks are more dear to poor people or strangers as the lands within 2 miles of Dublin.  There is here undoubtedly great plenty of fish, yet the people are so lazy they’d rather live on salt mackerel and potatoes then give themselves the trouble to take fresh fish.  There is no garden stuff here, very bad mutton and lamb, and no beef, not a tree or even a shrub within 8 miles of the place….

30th June 1757  ‘…nothing but rocky mountains around us for 20 miles, where not even a slide car can go the road, nor any other cattle than little horses bred and used to this country….you can’t conceive the wretchedness of it.  We have neither bread to eat nor malt liquor wine or cider to drink, nor meat except a little mutton and bad lamb.  Our liquor a bad toddy, our victuals potatoes and fish and lie in a cottage..

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Crookhaven
According to legend the Hulls and Coughlas were intermittently involved in smugling
1700 Thomas Dyer Tide Waiter Referred to in Dives Downes visitation
October 1707 Complaint by William Lowdnes to Rev Com Ireland 6 East India Company Ships arrived and broke bulk to prejudice of Customs Revenue British History Online
1788 James McCarthy and Isaac Baker Revenue Officials Deed witnesses, O’Driscoll/McCarthy Middle Men Ther is also a Baker family at the time tithe Proctors to the absentee rector, mortal enemies of newly appointed Daniel Coughlan in 1810s
c1820s Michael Tisdall Customs in England Rockhouse, Clifton, father Rev. Fitzgerald Tisdall, Rector Kiloe, Founder Crookhave Yeomanry Corps murdered Priest’s Leap, 1809
1759 Goodwin Swift

Daniel Coughlan, Crookhaven, Involved in relief 1822, Scathing on absentee tithe holders Rev. Francis Langford, Co. Limerick and his proctor William Switzer and Dr. Traill of Co. Antrim, rector of Schull and his proctor Joseph Baker.  He advised Dublin Castle that much of the local recent troubles was due to the severe tyranny and oppression of such petty tyrants.  Brother of famous Royal Navy Captain Coughlan who was raising money in 1822 in London for relief.

 

Sale of Blair Estate, Coolculaghta (Blair’s Cove), Durrus, West Cork, by Landed Estates Court 1866, with details of Legal Tenure, Tenants, Leases, Maps

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By the mid 19th century a large number of Irish landed Estates were hopelessly insolvent. This was caused by a combination of the effects of the Familne falling agricultural prices since the Battle of Waterloo and the availability of easy credit. Many Irish landed estates borrowed heavily to fund children’s education, dowries for daughters jointures for unmarried female children as well as supporting an unsustainable lifestyle.

The solution was the Landed Estates courts which took over the Estates guaranteed title to prospective purchases who took title without the mortgages.

Many of the records of the sales which include legal tenure, tenant details and surveys are available in the National Archives. Better quality reproductions may be obtained there by individually printing from the micro films.

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1844. Parliamentary Enquiry into The State of Land in Ireland, Sitting, Bantry, Skibbereen, Bandon, Kinsale, Co. Cork, Ireland.

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1844.  Parliamentary Enquiry into The State of Land in Ireland, Sitting, Bantry, Skibbereen, Bandon, Kinsale, Co. Cork, Ireland.

 

 

To look at the transcripts scroll to the page approximate number.

http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/11941/page/281538

 

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1909. Agricultural Improvement, County Premium Boars, Premium Bulls, Extra Premium Bulls, Stallion Asses, Barony of Bantry and Bere, Carbery.

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1909.  Agricultural Improvement, County Premium Boars, Premium Bulls, Extra Premium Bulls, Stallion Asses, Barony of Bantry and Bere, Carbery.

This is part of the Congested District Board and Department of Agriculture and Technical Instruction effort to improve agriculture.   Many of the same families appear from the 1850s winning prizes in agricultural shows and some of their present day descendants are still involved.

http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/21222/page/591995

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1821. Partial Listing of Tenants in Kilmoe (Goleen), West Cork.

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1821. Partial Listing of Tenants in Kilmoe (Goleen), West Cork.

Thank to the original poster of this information.

Surnames: Johnson, Ferguson, Allen, King, Daly, Donovan, Williamson, Kelly, Supple, Coughlan, Mahony, Kingston, Past, Neagle, Coghlan, Cunningham, Driscoll, Sullivan, White, McCarthy, Neville, Boyde, Nicholson, King, Burns, Fleming.

PARISH OF KILMOE: This parish is at the extremity of the peninsula between Dunmanus Bay and Roaring Water Bay in SW Cork. In 1821, it would have been a very remote part of Ireland. Yet, a little, 30-page, loosely-stitched tithe book/ledger has managed to survive and bears the date 1821 on its cover. This book is not to be confused with the official tithe applotment book for Kilmoe Parish which was drawn up in the year 1828, some seven years later.

This 1821 notebook’s appearance is somewhat reminiscent of the tenure, house and field books of Griffith’s Valuation. There are a total number of 516 names, some repeats.

Unlike the Tithe Defaulters Lists which record in excess of 29,000 names, these lists do not have actual addresses. It is not clearly stated that the farmers listed for each townland actually lived in that townland. (This is not the case in the Tithe Defaulters Lists where the name of the abode is clearly stated, thus one knows where there is repetition.) However, is may be not unreasonable to assume that most or all of these farmers did live in the townlands listed; possibly you can check this information against the official tithe applotment book for Kilmoe Parish for 1828.

Per “Irish Roots,” this is part of the OPMA (Official Papers Miscellaneous Assorted) files in the National Archives, Bishop Street, Dublin. (Call Number: OPMA 162/1).

In many cases the names of the townlands in 1821 have changed; more importantly, there are fewer townlands in the parish now than there were in 1821. (See below).

Here is a partial extract:

ALTER (now Altar)
John F. Johnson
John Ferguson
John Richard Johnson
Francis Johnson
Charles Allen
Tom King
Ned Allen
Jas. Daly
Henry Daly
Jno. Donovan
Michael Allen
__any Johnson
Jno. Jno. Johnson
Ben Williamson
Henry Jno. Johnson.

ARDUSLOGH (now Arduslough)
Edward Supple Kelly
BALLRIGAND (now?)
Richard Allen, Sr.
Richard Allen, Jr.
Ths. Richard Allen
Wm. Ths. Allen
Mrs. Nancy Allen
Ths. Jno. Allen
Widow Nancy Allen
Gro. Allen
Charles Coughlan
Timothy Donovan
Tim Mahony
William Kingston, Sr.
William Kingston, Jr.
Mick Past
James Neagle, Jr.
James Neagle, Sr.
Daniel Donovan
Jny. Donovan
Widow Coghlan
Jno. Cunningham
William Allen, Sr.
Tim Driscoll
Peter Sullivan
Js. White
Wm. Ths. Allen

BALLYDEVLIN WEST
J. McCarthy
Richard Supple
Thomas Neville

Richard Coghlan
Michael Donovan
Jny. Driscoll
Cors. Driscoll
William Boyde
School house
Geo. Nicholson
Ths. Nicholson
Cors. Mahony
Michael Mahony

BALLYDEVLIN (now Ballydivlin)
Thomas King
William King
Pat Burns
Richard Burns
Jon Fleming

Note – Comparing townlands in the parish of Kilmoe, there were 70 in 1821, while there are currently (1997) 61 on OS maps. This factor creates difficulties for people researching in the pre-Griffith’s valuation/Ordnance Survey period.

1821/1997
Alter – Altar
Arduslogh – Arduslough
Balinaule – Ballynaule
Ballydevlin – Ballydivlin
Ballydevlin East –
Ballydevlin Middle –
Ballydevlin West –
Ballyrizard – Ballyrisode
Ballyvauge Beg (sp?) – Ballyvoge Beg
Ballyvouge More – Ballyvoge More
Balteen – Balteen

5 Bird Island
Baulsalogh North – Boulysallagh
Baulsalogh South –
Cahir – Caher
Calisitra – Callards Eighter
Calisotra – Callards Oughter
Cannivee – Cannawee
Carinbeg – Corran Beg
Carinmore – Corran More
Carrickeen Gour – Carrigeengour
Carrig Carriheen – Carrigcurriheen
Carrig Cat – Carrigacat & Milleen
Carrigmanus – Carrigmanus
Castle Mihigan – Castlemehigan
Clahan Lihid – Cloghanalehid
Clahane – Cloghane
Clahicilleen – Cloghanaculleen
Clohir – Clogher
Coarlacky – Coorlacka
Crookhaven – Crookhaven
Dough – Dough
Dunkilly – Dunkelly Middle
Dunkilly East – Dunkelly East
Dunkilly West – Dunkelly West
Dunlagh – Dunlough
Durade –
Ednaghstra – Enaghouter East

Enaghhouter West

– Fastnett Rock
Glebe –
Goleen – Gooleen
Grinane – Greenane
Gurt Brack – Gortbrack
Gurtduff – Gortduff
Gureen Ipagh –
Gureen Spa –
Gurtnacarigy – Gortnacarriga
Gurtni Gashil – Gortnagashel
Kealfada – Kealfadda
Kilbarry – Kilbarry
Kilbrown – Kilbrown
Killean – Killeane
Knuck Galane – Knockagallane
Knuckeen Goragh – Knockeennagearagh
Knucksasanagh – Knockatassonig
Lackavane – Lackavaun
Lackmakey – Lackenakea
Letter – Letter
Linane – Leenane
Lisigriffin – Lissagriffin
Malavoge – Mallavoge
Mileen –
Rock Island – Rock Island
Shanaghy – Shanavally
Ship –
Snugharbour –
Spanish Cove – Spanishcove
Tour – Toor
Toureen – Tooreen
Tourmore – Toormore
Ughtiminia – Oughtiminnee
Yokane –