CSO/RP/1821/36. File of papers relating to problems in County Cork with arrangements for 1821 census to be carried out, under terms of the population act. Includes printed letter from William Shaw Mason, secretary of Records Commission, Records Tower, Dublin Castle, to the magistrates of County Cork, concerning ill-preparedness of some of the baronies of County Cork to carry out the census. ‘It is, indeed, a matter of much regret and surprise, that the concerns of a County, the most extensive, populous and respectable in Ireland, should be so deficient in arrangement, as not to afford the means of carrying this measure into effect with equal ease as in all other places, and that, out of upwards of 200 resident and acting Magistrates, so very few indeed were to be found to undertake the duty entrusted to them by the Legislature, of selecting efficient Enumerators, and superintending their proceedings’, 1 May 1821.

Selected fragments from Lost Census of 1821, Parishes of Kilbrogan, Bandon, Murragh, Kinneigh, Townlands:  West Bangour, Raheen, Lisaraurk, Farrabmareen.

1821 Census was taken over a period from 28 May 1821.  destroyed in 1922 but survives for parts of the following counties: Cavan, Fermanagh, Galway, Offaly and Meath. The census recorded the following information on each member of the household: Name, Age, Occupation, Townland, Parish.

Welply:

https://durrushistory.com/2014/05/22/some-cork-wills-1528-1859-destroyed-in-1922-copied-by-william-henry-welply-of-balineen-west-cork/

https://wordpress.com/post/durrushistory.com/10226

Census:

https://wordpress.com/post/durrushistory.com/27861

https://wordpress.com/post/durrushistory.com/35160

https://kyngeston.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/census-of-ireland-1851-fanlobbus-dunmanway/

Parishes:

Kilbrogan

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1824  Barony of Carbery, in West Cork, which has good roads, corn stores and regular shipping to Cork, Dublin and even Portugal.

The Kerry Orpen family are related by marriage to the Hutchinsons landlord family of Clonee, Durrus, Swantons of Ballydehob, O’Sullivans of Ballighadown, Drimoleague/Caheragh.  The artist William Orpen is of the family.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1883

Burke describes the Orpen family as claiming great antiquity. They settled in Ireland after the Cromwellian wars and married into some of the other influential families in Co. Kerry including the Herberts.

Richard Orpen was agent for Sir William Petty on his Co. Kerry estates. Over 4000 acres of the estate of Richard Becher Opren in the barony of Glanarought were offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court in November 1852. The petitioner was John B. Warren, who later acquired parts of the Orpen lands in this area. Over 10,000 acres of the estate of Adrian Taylor, in which members of the Orpen and Warren families had an interest, were offered for sale in the Encumbered Estates Court in May 1855. Richard J.T. Orpen was one of the principal lessors in the parishes of Kenmare and Kilgarvan at the time of Griffith’s Valuation. In the 1870s the estate of the late Sir Richard Orpen amounted to over 12,000 acres in Co. Kerry as well as 300 acres in Co. Cork. The representatives of F.H. Orpen were the proprietors of 800 acres in county Kerry at the same time.

Bantry/Durrus Hutchinsons:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ce2v219hccdaJWm3mLL7gz-ocnDFxNTD_bWJEV1RAL0/edit

CSO/RP/1824/1466 TITLE: Letter from Emanuel Hutchinson Orpen, Dublin, concerning commercial development needs of County Kerry SCOPE & CONTENT: Letter from Emanuel Hutchinson Orpen, attorney, 50 Exchequer Street, Dublin, to Henry Goulburn, Chief Secretary, Dublin Castle, offering detailed observation on impediments to progress of commercial development of southern County Kerry. Comments on backward state of district from Dingle bay to Kenmare, and seeks a good road from district of Killarney to the harbour of Sneem; such a development would facilitate creation of a broader infrastructure for local commerce and export trade. Remarks on poverty of people and quotes from earlier letter the greater part of the tenantry on estate of Marquis Lansdowne [Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice] ‘actually make his Lordship’s rent by begging’. Points to example of Carbery, in County Cork, which has good roads, corn stores and regular shipping to Cork, Dublin and even Portugal. Urges parliamentary assistance for public works in Ireland, for fishing and manufacturing, and extension of bounties for flax production. Alludes also to applications from principal landowners in region for laying of new roads in order to improve travel and enhance access.

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NAI REFERENCE:

CSO/RP/1824/1466

TITLE:

Letter from Emanuel Hutchinson Orpen, Dublin, concerning commercial development needs of County Kerry

SCOPE & CONTENT:

Letter from Emanuel Hutchinson Orpen, attorney, 50 Exchequer Street, Dublin, to Henry Goulburn, Chief Secretary, Dublin Castle, offering detailed observation on impediments to progress of commercial development of southern County Kerry. Comments on backward state of district from Dingle bay to Kenmare, and seeks a good road from district of Killarney to the harbour of Sneem; such a development would facilitate creation of a broader infrastructure for local commerce and export trade. Remarks on poverty of people and quotes from earlier letter the greater part of the tenantry on estate of Marquis Lansdowne [Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice] ‘actually make his Lordship’s rent by begging’. Points to example of Carbery, in County Cork, which has good roads, corn stores and regular shipping to Cork, Dublin and even Portugal. Urges parliamentary assistance for public works in Ireland, for fishing and manufacturing, and extension of bounties for flax production. Alludes also to applications from principal landowners in region for laying of new roads in order to improve travel and enhance access.

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http://www.dippam.ac.uk/eppi/documents/10407/page/230656

Some West Cork RIC men:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/193TpfHYRXIBQb0nzVLTs_Cl-oebYYnFAebmtxvDiYzY/edit#gid=0

Courtesy Wikipedia:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Constabulary

1804, Parish Constable Authorised to Remove Single Woman who has given birth to a Female Bastard Child who is likely to be a charge on the Parish to The House of Correction, to Punish her and set her to Work for One Whole Year.  Warrant to Apprehend the Father of a Bastard Child.

Until the Church of Ireland was Disestablished in 1871 it was the Irish State Church.  For Vestry Minutes for West Cork which have survived r were often two meetings, the first to deal with religious matters and the second often having Catholic attendees dealing with civic matters.  One item that often came up was the care of foundlings, the payment of wet nurses and the financing of same.

The Cork Grand Jury records often have an allocation for Parish to provide finance for such care.The reference to the Parish Constable was the situation before the RIC came into being in the 1820s. These Constable had a poor reputation and were often broken down old  military pensioners mostly Protestant.

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Some years ago a Canadian Researcher looked at the 19th Irish Catholic and Protestant and conclude what difference theewere between them weemonor.  He distinguishes them from other Northern Europeans showing that they had large families, a propensity to emigrate and low rates of illegitimacy.

In the mid 1830 the Devon Commission looking at Irish Poverty had a questionnaire  on ‘bastardy’.  One of the issues what was happened when a girl became pregnant by a ‘Gentleman’.  Apparently there was a well developed pattern of compensation which would then enable her to marry well.  It may explain some of the surprising DNA results coming through recently.

1804 Justice of the Peace (Magistrate) Guide, Papist Warrants including Committal of a Popish Priest for Marrying Contrary to Law.

Even in 1804 these measures were a throwback to the Penal Laws of the early 18th century and had fallen into abeyance.  The marriage stipulation features in a major case c 1770s involving one of the Bantry Whites (later Lord Bantry family).  He had married a Miss Dillon, a Catholic.  He later had the marriage annulled as it was illegal having been  performed by a ‘Popish Priest’

The Guide generally contains many measures of an economic nature the regulation of linen/flax, butter, coopering, roads, bridges.

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The regulation of Marriage was done by the Church of Ireland then the State Church of Ireland through the Diocesan Court and Registry, for Cork:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FWBV3gRAeVpYqD5Nlq9j4by9xQGww9Y141pT1mZshpA/edit

Cork Marriage Licence Bonds:

Click to access index_to_marriage_license_bonds_diocese_cork_and_ross.pdf

West Cork Landlords Hovering on Insolvency From 1790s and Rise of New Class.

Full Pamphlet:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z1KbM5xKAkKA6uEn8

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Bandon Freeman Meeting December 1753.

Chairman, William Litten, late writing master now dram seller,  (teacher, Protestant South side Bandon river 1733, deed)

Thomas Tremoy?, weaver and miller

Daniel Sweeney, the younger, barber, comber and ale draper

William Brown, joiner

John Brown, barber

John Burchall, butcher

Nicholas Merry, ale draper

Richard Savage, malster and shopkeeper

Edward Cotter, shopkeeper, may be related to later legal family.

John Boisseau, apothecary, probably Huguenot.

Francis Allman, weaver

Joseph Thomas shopkeeper

Robert Morris, Man of the House

James Kell, Comber and Draper

Thomas Morgan, snuff seller

John Holland, weaver

Thomas Holland, weaver and malster

Ralph Clear, Senior, comber

Ralph Clear, Junior, comber,

Jeremiah (Jerry)  Biggs, comber and weaver

George Harris, Presser

John Aldworth, comber

Robert Williams, weaver

John Morris, weaver

David Hunter, blue-dyer

James Gilman, attorney

James Hawes, weaver and shopkeeper

Samuel Milner, clothier

Richard Dowden, the younger, linen weaver

William Spratt, master and shopkeeper

William Popham, comber

After gather and prior to dining

Alleyn Carthy, proctor and tithe gather and

Rev. Dr. St. John Browne

As old Freemen hoped to be allowed join the Company.

After dinner

Toasts to

Liberty and Property

Lord Kildare

The Speaker

Sir Richard Cox

Sir John Freke

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