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Muintervara started the 19th century as an Irish speaking area and finished English speaking. There has been a lot of interest in the post on the Irish words used in English in Durrus in the 1930s and I though it might be opportune to look at the use of Irish and its decline in the area in the 19th century.
Being a coastal area and with a significant English speaking population since at least the early 18th century the decline in Irish speaking was more rapid than inland areas such as Caheragh or Kealkil.
Dr. Garrett Fitzgerald has done a study on the decline of Irish in the 19th century based on the 1911 Census[1]. He surmises that Irish was widely spoken in the area extending from South Kerry into West Cork bordering on the Liberties of Cork. He excluded, however, the area of the Bandon valley and the two peninsulas (Muintervara and Mizen) bordering on Dunmanus Bay where the use of English was predominant by 1860. This is set out on the table below from his researches. The decline of Irish was more pronounced by the religious mix of the area involving settlement in the late 17th and 18th century in the eastern part of the peninsula by people of English and Huguenot origin and the influence of the various English speaking schools. It might be noted that Scart and the Bantry rural area had a high percentage of people speaking Irish as did Dunbeacon and the western end of the peninsula.
Analysis of 1911 Census by Dr. Garrett Fitzgerald, of those born before 1851 and alive in 1911 who could speak Irish
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Durrus/Kilcrohane DED |
Population2779 | 60+413 | 60+%14.9 | 60+413 | Irish Speaking 182 | Irish Speaking 44 % | |
| Durrus East | 433 | 65 | 26 | 40 | |||
| Durrus West | 686 | 102 | 36 | 35 | |||
| Glanlough | 509 | 76 | 33 | 43 | |||
| Seefin | 555 | 83 | 32 | 39 | |||
| Sheepshead | 596 | 89 | 55 | 62 | |||
| Neighbouring DEDs | |||||||
| Dunbeacon | 588 | 86 | 60 | 70 | |||
| Scart | 549 | 48 | 56 | 100 | |||
| Bantry Rural | 1114 | 127 | 116 | 91 | |||
Note: DED is district electoral division.
Eliza Cole 84 widow married 1792 read Irish 1851 Census. Frank O’Mahony (retired solicitor Banrry author of a history of Kilcrohane) refers to a complex court case heard in Cork in 1823 from Kilcrohane when all the witnesses gave evidence in Irish. Fr. Matthew administered the pledge in Irish in Durrus in July; 1842. The American missionary, Asenath Nicholson was in Bantry in 1845 and wrote ‘I left an Irish Testament where the man of the family could read Irish well, and to where no Bible had even been. The peasants in this part of the country are not so afraid of the scriptures if they speak Irish, because they attach a kind of sanctity to this language. The Rev Freke was preaching in Irish in Rooska and Glenlough in 1850. Warburton the local Resident Magistrate questioned whether Irish interpreters could be paid in 1871. Many of the people over 30 both Catholic and Protestant in the 1901 Census spoke both Irish. It is probable that the 1901 Census at least underestimated the extent of Irish in the older population. Father Kearney preached in Irish when he was both a curate and parish priest of Durrus. Gerry Jack Owen Daly (b.1915) recalls a number of Irish speakers in Kilcrohane in the 1920s.[2]
There were a number of business premises in Bantry in 1903 which had their names over the door in Irish, the mottos in the workhouse were in Irish and all the Poor law members could speak Irish[3]In October 1905 Mr O’Hourihan from the Gaelic League addressed a Public meeting in Durrus attended by Father O’Leary and presided over by J.D.O’Sullivan and acknowledged that Irish was seldom used in the district. Around the same time Canon Shinkwin was talking to the older people in Borlin in Irish and asking them to speak Irish to the small children at night with a view towards arresting the decline of the language. An article in the Southern Star in 1907 by ‘Ciaran Og’ bemoaned the lack of Irish on the Mizen Peninsula, Dunbeacon and Durrus. It was not taught in the schools although the Durrus teachers were sympathetic this was in contrast to Bantry where there were classes in the Convent run by Conchubhair O Muineachain and Irish speakers around the town. The area he felt was badly in need of a travelling Irish teacher. Articles in Irish by Peadar O h-Anrachain appear in the Southern Star from 1907. Going by the 1900 Census Irish was being passed onto children up to the 1890s[4]
In the neighboring parish of Ballydehob, Mr. Swanon, an irish scholar lived. He wrote in 1846
‘that though the people here seem desirous to give it up, it will be a long time before they can express themselves with some comfort in English’. He tried without success to get his 5 daughters to speak Irish or to have the servants use it in the house.
CENSUS 1901
| Sheepshead DED | Glenlough DED DED | Seafin DED | Durrus West and East DED | |
| Year Born1799 | 1 | |||
| 1800-1819 | 7 | 6 | 4 | 2 |
| 1820-1829 | 22 | 5 | 14 | 15 |
| 1830-1839 | 36 | 23 | 16 | 25 |
| 1840-1849 | 59 | 24 | 25 | 45 |
| 1850-1859 | 22 | 27 | 18 | 28 |
| 1860-1869 | 2 | 6 | 10 | 13 |
| 1870-1879 | 2 | 5 | 6 | 13 |
| 1880-1889 | 6 | 4 | 8 | |
| 1890- | 2 | 2 | 2 | |
| Percentage of speakers of Irish and English | 21% | 18% | 15% | 12% |
In 1846, Thomas Swanton, Irish scholar from nearby Ballydehob remarked of the status of Irish in the locality ‘Though the people here seem desirous to give it up, it will be a long time before they can express themselves with such comfort in English’
[1] Royal Irish Academy, December 2003.
[2] Among those were Mrs Mahony and Dan Mahony Cahergall, Jim Cronin Eskeraha, Mrs Donovan Rhea who was also a teacher. His own father Dan Daly b 1850 had many songs in Irish. Tadhg O Donnabhain, Kilcrohane, b1919 has been an Irish scholar all his life, his mother nee Holland from the Coomhola area was a native speaker. In 1938, school folklore project, Mary O’Donovan, Rearour, stated that Ellen Coakley aged 83 had Irish which she used to greet old friends or strangers.
[3] Southern Star 31 Jan 1903.
[4] Clashadoo Annie Canty 23, Timothy Dullon 26, Annie Dillon 24, John McCarthy 17. Coomkeen Daniel Burke 25, Mary Burke 26. Village Mary Levis 20. Gerhameen Denis Sullivan 22, Michael Wholihan 20. Ballycomane Michael Hurley 22, Richard Sweetnam 26, James Cleary 25. Clonee Denis Dineen 18. Coolculaghta William Coughlan 28 (his brother aged 22 had only English). Murreagh Michael McCarthy 10, Nora Sweeney 20, William Sweeney 22.
Some of the older older Church of Ireland farmers in the 1900 Census had both English and Irish, Clashadoo Paul Shannon 70, Crottees Mary Deane 50, Jane Dukelow 72, John Camier 82. James Dukelow 65 Drumtaniheen. Ballycomane Richard Vickery 64. Dromreagh John Jagoe (born outside Dunmnway) 75.
Harry Ward runs a website re the connection between the Casper, Wyoming area and KIlcrohane. In it he says his father born 1890 remembers the old men outside the store in Kilcrohane talking Irish suggesting they acquired it 1830s/40s.
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Original Book Cornell University, New York
Prom the Genealogical Table given at p. 4, it is clear that
Cuchonnacht na Sgoile O'Daly, who died at Clonard, in 1139,
was the first man of the O'Dalys who was celebrated for his
learning. Prom his period forward poetry became a profession
in the family, and the Corca-Adaim sent forth poetical
professors to various parts of Ireland. About the middle of
the twelfth century Eaghnall O'Daly settled in Desmond, and
became chief professor of poetry to Mac Carthy, king of Des-
mond. Prom him, no doubt, the O'Dalys of Muintir-Bhaire,
in the south-west of the County of Cork, are descended ; but
their pedigree has not been preserved by the O'Clery's or Mac
Pirbises, and it is to be feared that it is irrecoverably lost. Dr.
O'Brien, indeed, asserts in his Irish Dictionary (voce dala),
that the O'Dalys of Munster are descended from the third son
of Aenghus, king of Cashel, who was baptized by St. Patrick ;
'O'Beilly mentions twenty-eight poets of this family, and gives
the first lines of upwards of one hundred poems written by them ;
and we have in our own collection almost as many more which es-
caped his notice ; but they are chiefly religious, being the
compositions
of Donough Mor O'Daly, who died in 1244, and of Aenghus O'Daly
surnamed " na Diadhachta" (the Pious or Divine), who flourished
about the year 1670. See O'Reilly's Irish Writers, p. cxxxix.
But this is one of the very many unaccountable errors with
which that work abounds. The same error has been interjiol-
ated into several modern copies of Keating's History of Ireland.
Of the O'Dalys of Muintir-Bhaire, of whom was Aenghus
the Bard liuadli, some notices occur in the Pacata Hibernia,
Book III., and in the MS. entitled Carbrim Notitia, which
formed No. 591, of the sale catalogue of the late Lord Kings-
borough's library,' which are here given, that tlie reader may
have before him all the information respecting the sept of the
O'Dalys at present accessible : —
" 1603. Fourth [of May], Odalie was convented before
the Lord President and Councell, and in regard it was proved
that hee came from the Eebells, with messages and offers to
Owen Sulevan. to adhere and combine with the Enemy,
which the said Owen did first reveal to Captaine Flower, Ser-
geant Major of the Army, and after publikely justified it to
Odalie' s face ; the said Baly was committed to attend his
tryal at the next sessions.
"This Odalie^ s Ancestor had the country of Moyntirbary
given unto him by the Lord President's Ancestor, many hun-
dred yearcs past, at which time Carew had to his inheritance,
the moity of tjie whole kingdom. This account of Carew is, however, not very accuratee of Corke, which was first
given by King Heni-y the second unto Robert Fitz StepJien ;
the service which Odaly and his progenie were to doe, for so
large a proportion of Lands unto Carew and his successors was
(according to the custom of that time) to bee their Eimers, or
Chroniclers of their actions."
this account is not very accurae; for . the family never had
possession of this territory until the reign
of Queen Elizabeth, and then only for a very short time. In
the reign of Edward III. Thomas de Carew set up a claim, as
heir to Eitz-Stephen, to all his ancient estates in Cork ; but
by an Inquisition taken at Cork, before Sir Anthony Lucey,
Lord Justice of Ireland, on the 31st. of August, in the fifth
year of the reign of Edward III., it was found that " Robert
Fitz-Stepheu died seized of the moiety of the estate granted
by Henry II. to him and Milo de Cogan, and that the said
Eitz-Stephen was a Bastard, and died without issue of his
body J that the claim of Thomas de Carew, asserting that he
and liis ancestors were heirs to Eitz-Stephen, could not be true,
because the said Fitz-Steplien was a Bastard, and died
without issue of his body."
Notwithstanding this Inquisition the claim was again set
up in 1568, by Sir Peter Carew, whose brother Sir George,
was afterwards President of Munster ; but Sir Peter died in 1575,
and his heir Peter junior, was slain by the O'Byrnes at Qlen-
malure in 1580; and the prosecution of the suit ended in
nothing. (Four Masters, A. D. 1580). From this it is very
clear that the O'Dalys of Muintir- Bhaire had little or no
connection with the Carews either in the reigns of Edward III.
or of Elizabeth. The Author of Carbrice Notiiia, evidently seeing
through the fallacy of this statement in the Pacata Hibernia,
thus modifies it in his account of the south-west of the County
of Cork.
" And soe [crossing Dunmanus Bay] you come to Mynter-
vary, which lyes between Dunmanus Bay and Bearhaven, in
which there is nothing worth observation except Coolnalong,
a pretty seat belongingformerly to Mucklagh, a sept of the
Cartys. This country was, according to Irish custome,
given to O'Daly, who was successively Bard to O'Mahony and
Carew ; and to O'Glavin, who was his Termoner or receiver."
Dr. Smith also describes Minterbarry, and calls it " a most
barbarous country, lying between Dunmanus Bay and Bantry
^^"j " (The story of Cork, Book II, c. ^.), but says nothing of
the O'Dalys in connection with it ! !
The head of this family had his residence at Druim-Naoi,
or Drumnea, in the parish of Kilcrohane, where a portion of
his house, commonly called " The Old College House," still
remains, and forms the residence of a farmer, Mr. George
Nicolas. The walls are well built, and cemented with lime
and mortar, and from fragments of ruins still to be seen close
to what remains, it may be inferred that it was once a house
of some importance. According to tradition, two sons of a
king of Spain, who were at school here under the tuition of
O'Daly, died and were buried in Drumnea.
The head of this family, Aenghus, son of Aenghus Caech
O'Daly Cairbreach, died in the year 1507'. The last profes-
sional poet of this house was Conchobhar Cam O'Dalaigh Cair-
'A branch of this family of the O'Dalys, removed to the County of
Kerry, a member of whom was the celebrated Daniel or Dominick
O'Daly, who wrote the History of the Geraldincs. He was born in
(he year 1505, and died at Lisbon in the year 1662.
breacbj wlio wrote an elegy of forty ranns or quatrainSj on the
death of Donnell O'Donovan, chief of Clann-Cathail, who died
in 1660, beginning: —
" CiteAb bo tiU3 A1% tpAitcttAift ?Ou)ii)i)eAC ? "
" What has overtaken the Momonian Youths ?"
He also addressed a poem of thirteen ranns or quatrains,
to his pupil Donough, the son of Donnell O'Donovan, and
brotlier of said Donnell, who died in 1660, beginning : —
" Saoc lcAii)-i-A luibe feof)ijcAi8. "
" Sorrowful to mo is the lying [siolmessj of Donnchadh."
This Donough, who was the foster-son of O'Daly Cairbreach,
is the ancestor of Mr. James O'Donovan of Myross, in the
County of Cork.
Conchobhar Cam O'Daly also addressed a short poem' of nine
quatrains, to Joan, daughter of Sir Owen Mac Carthy Eeaglt,
and wife of O'Donovan (Donnell, son of Donnell, son of Teige),
beginning : —
" O 1 Joan, confirm our treaty.''
The last descendant of O'Daly of Drumnea, who was recog-
nized in the country as the head of the sept, and who claimed
the O'Daly tomb at Kilcrohane, was Mr. James Daly of Bantry.
He removed from Bantry to Cork, where he became a distiller,
and kept a respectable establishment in John-street. He died
some three or four years since, leaving a son, Mr. James O'Daly,
who is still living at Cork.
That Aenghus O'Daly the Bard Ruadh, was of this family,
but not the chief of it, little doubt can be entertained ; and
O'lleilly believes that he was the Angus O'Daly of Balliorrone,
wlio according to an Inquisition taken at the Old Castle in Cork,
on the 1 8th. of September, 16?,4, died on the 1 6th. of Decem-
ber, 1617, leaving a son Angus Oge O'Daly.
The Ballyorrone mentioned in this Inquisition is now called
Ballyrune. It originally comprised the present Ballyrune, as
well as Cora, Laherdoty, and Ballyieragh. Laherdoty was for-
merly called Mid-Ballyrune, and Ballyieragh (BA^le iA|iCA|tAc,
i. e., west town), West-Ballyrune. The site and small portions
' Copies of these poems are preserved in paper MS. about one
hundred and sixty years old, which was in the possession of Mr.
Peter Lavalli, late Peruquier of the Four Courts, Dublin ; and now
living in Paris.
Of the walls of Aenglius O'Daly's, or the Bard Ruadfi's house,
are still pointed out in that subdivision of Ballyrune called
Cora. The walls are built of freestone and cemented with lime
and hair mortar. There is a rock near the Tower at Sheep's
Head, called Bfto Sleugun*, (i e., Angus's Quern), which is
locally believed to have received its name from Aenghus na
n-Aer O'JiiAy. Several of the Dalys, or 0' Dalys of Muintir-
Bhaire, claimed descent from him, namely, Daniel Daly of
Ahakista, deceased, and several others, but the widow Connell
alias Mary Daly, now in the Bantry work-house, is believed to
be the nearest akin to him now living. Her friends have emi-
grated to America. Several verses attributed to the Bard
Ruadh of Ballyrune, and having reference to his coshering pro-
pensities, in his old age, when he was poor, are still locally
recited, which corroborate O'Reilly's opinion, that he was the
Angus O'Daly mentioned in the Inquisition above referred to ;
but never, at any period of his life, was he poet to O'Keeffe, as
O'lleilly thinks.
The family of O'Daly was always considered as forming about
the one-twelfth part of the population of Muintir-Bhaire, now
included in the parish of Kilcrohane.
Prom a census of the population taken by the Eev. John Keleher, P. P.,
in October, 1834, it appears that the total popu-
lation of the parish was then 4448 souls, of which th6 O'Dalys
were 345, including 183 males, and 163 females, i. e., about
one-twelfth of the entire population.
In December, 1849, a census of the parish was also taken
by the Eev. Jeremiah Cummins, R. C. C, from which it appears
that the population had decreased to 2820 souls, of which the
O'Dalys constituted 217, (125 males, and 92 females), i. e., one-
thirteenth of the entire population. Both censuses prove that
the O'Dalys have kept up their old proportion to the population,
although they are as liable to disappear by starvation and emi-
gration as the other families of Muintir-Bhaire.
The O'Dalys (who appear to have forfeited the last remnant
of their property in Muintir-Bhaire, at the Revolution), are now
reduced to the condition of cottiers or struggling farmers, in this
wild district. The principal proprietors at present are, Richard
O'Donovan, Esq., J. P., Fort Lodge, Bantry ; Dr. Daniel
O'Donovan of Skibbereen, J. P. ; Timothy O'Donovan, Esq.,
J. P., O' Donovan's Cove; and Timothy O'Donovan, Esq., of
Ardahill.
The ancestor of the three first-mentioned proprietors, took
this large tract of land for 999 years, from a Mr. Congreve of
Mount Congreve, in the County of Waterford, an undertaker ;
to whose descendant they still pay some small head rent. Ti-
mothy O'Donovan, Esq., of Ardahill (who descends from Kedagh
Mor, the youngest son of O'Donovan, by the daughter of Sir
Owen Mac-Carthy Reagh), was himself the purchaser of Arda-
hill, Oarravilleen, Derry-clovane and Taunmore.























