Will the future be British and/or Irish federalism?


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The big story about the British general election – alongside the surprise overall majority for the Tories – was the extraordinary spectacle of all but three seats in Scotland being won by the Scottish National Party. If anybody thought after last September’s referendum result that the independence issue had been put to bed for a decade or more, they were proved dramatically wrong.

According to Ben Wray of the excellent online Scottish news site, commonspace.scot, SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon’s strategy is now a gradualist one: to build up power until the party’s hegemony is unquestionable, and then cruise to a referendum win. He believes the Scottish first minister would prefer to leave the independence question until the 2021 Holyrood parliamentary election, but has not ruled out putting a referendum into the SNP’s 2016 election manifesto, as most of the 110,000 members of her fast-growing party would expect her to do.

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Obituary Mr. John Copithorne, Kilcoe, Skibbereen, West Cork, and Mrs Ann Copithorne 1908.


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Straw Beehive made by George Copithorne, Kilbarry, Dunmanway, West Cork.

 

Frys (Frieze) Trousers from Copithorns Woolen Mills, Bantry, West Cork. Mrs Clara Ford, wife of Henry in 1912 stayed in Vickerys Hotel bought cloth for suit at Copithorns, visited her aunt Annie near Clonakilty

 

Kilcoe (West of Skibbereen), West Cork, Church of Ireland Graveyard

 

 

Obituary Mr. John Copithorne, KIlcoe, Skibbereen, West Cork, and Mrs Ann Copithorne 1908.

 

 

 

Funeral to family plot Aughadown of John Copithorne aged 24, ill for a number of years, officiated by Rev. A B Sweetnam.  This is from the late Mrs. Mary Dukelow nee Fuller, Brahalish one of West Cork’s foremost genealogical like apparently her father of Liscaha, Schull.

 

Thomas and Willy brothers

Annie, Minnie, Sarah sisters

William Copithorne

Thomas Copithorne

Charles and William Dukelow uncles probably Durrus

Wreaths from

Uncle Tom Aunt Moe? and Leslie

  1. Allen
  2. Trinder

Johnny Kelly

  1. H.. Townsend
  1. Beamish and family

 

Buried 12th July 1908.

 

John Copithorne old and respected after an illness of a  number of months buried Aughadown, officiated by Rev. A B Sweetnam.

 

Mrs Copithorne, wife

Sons Thomas James Daughters Annie, Minnie, Sarah

Charles, William, James Dukelow brothers in law

Thomas Copithorne, Bantry.  Owner of Copithorne Woollen Mills makers of frieze cloth.

Thomas Copithorne, Gubbeen

Johnnie Dukelow, nephew

Samuel Copithorne, Thomas Swanton cousins.

 

Wreaths:

Brother Tom and family

Samuel and Jane Copithorne

  1. H. Townsend

 

General Public:

 

Rev. J. O’Sullivan, P.P., Aughadown

Captain Nolan

  1. McCarthy
  2. J. Gallagher R.d.O.
  3. O’Regan

C?. Harte

  1. Donovan
  2. Donovan
  3. Daly
  4. Kearney
  5. Collins
  6. McCarthy
  7. McDonald
  8. O’Driscoll;;
  9. McCarthy
  10. Coughlan
  11. McCarthy
  12. Coughlan, Kilcoe
  13. Connell
  14. McCarthy
  15. Gallagher
  16. Keohane
  17. O’Brien
  18. Driscoll
  19. Beamish, Corravaley
  20. McDonald

William Dowdall?

William Young, T..obeg
J. Twomey

  1. Hayes
  2. Donovan
  3. Connell
  4. Milger?
  5. Hickey
  6. Donovan
  7. Driscoll, Ardura
  8. Jagoe, Westfield
  9. Ferguson
  10. O’Regan, Schull
  11. Trinder
  12. Bird
  13. O’Regan
  14. Driscoll, Ballybill
  15. Caverley
  16. Sullivan
  1. Courcey
  1. Long, Leighcluin
  2. Hurley
  3. Swanton
  4. Howard, Creamery Manger
  5. Trinder
  6. Trider, Aughadown
  7. O’Regan
  8. Daly
  9. Sullivan, Lisheen
  10. Goggin
  11. Swanton
  12. Crowley, Glounakileena
  13. McCarthy
  14. McCarthy
  15. Sweetnam
  16. Sweetnam
  17. Jermyn
  18. Murphy
  19. Sweetnam
  20. McCarthy
  21. McCarthy, Morahin
  22. T. Hickey
  23. H. Kelly, M.C.C.
  24. Young
  25. Kelly, N.T.
  26. Kelly
  27. Beamish
  28. Kelly
  29. Beamish, Skehanore
  30. H. Wolfe, Steam Mills
  31. Swanton
  32. Ward, Skibbereen
  33. R. Henry
  34. Swanton
  35. J. Lynch
  36. G. O’Connell
  37. Attridge
  38. Willis
  39. O’Brien, R.D.C
  40. Skuse, Ballydehob
  41. Swanton, Bawnakean

 

Annie Copithorne died June 1922 buried Kilcoe

Thomas Copithorne died January 1946 buried Kilcoe

James Copithorne died 2st March 1972 or 1992 buried Kilcoe

 

Mrs Copithorne, Buried 12th July 1909.

 

Sons Thomas James Daughters Annie, Minnie, Sarah

Charles, William, James Dukelow brothers in law

Mrs. Dukelow, sister

 

Thomas and Wat? Copthorne brother-in-law

Mrs. Young and Mrs. Swanton cousins

 

Public

.. Connell

  1. Simpson
  2. J. Gallagher, R.D.C.
  3. McCarthy
  4. O’Regan
  5. Collins
  6. Beamish
  7. McCarthy
  8. Barry
  9. Moxley
  10. Gallagher
  11. Keohane
  12. Driscoll
  13. Coughlin
  14. Moxley
  15. McCarthy
  16. Levis, Kilcoe

William Connell

William Young

..  Donovan

  1. Hayes
  2. Connell
  3. Twomey
  4. Young
  5. O’Brien
  6. Donovan
  7. Milner
  8. Hickey
  9. Driscoll, Ardrara
  10. Swanton
  11. G. O’Connell
  12. KIngston
  13. Barry
  14. Camier
  15. H. Henry
  16. Wolfe
  17. Young
  18. Swanton
  19. Shannon
  20. J. Welply, Westfield
  21. Bird

T .Trinder

  1. Keating
  2. Caverley
  3. Sullivan
  4. Long, Hollyhill
  5. Morgan
  6.  Daly
  7. Trinder
  8. Swanton
  9. Hurley
  10. Trinder, Aughadown
  11. McCarthy
  12. Sweetnam
  13. Sweetnam
  14. Jermyn
  15. McCarthy
  16. Swanton
  17. Crowley
  18. Duggan,  Glounakilleena

Richard Swanton

  1. Jemmings
  2. Connell
  3. S. Wolfe

Captain Nolan

  1. McCarthy
  2. McCarthy
  1. Wolfe
  1. Young, Skibbereen

 

Wreaths:

 

Uncle Tom, Aunt Louis, and Lottie

Uncle William and all the family

Am and Jane Copithorne

Mr. and Mrs. J. Connell

Mr. and Mrs. E. Simpson

A .H. Townsend

Mr. and Mrs. D. G. O’Connell

 

Newspaper obits provided an interesting snapshot of local society at the particular time.

Obituaries, Durrus District

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The Dairyman, a Vanished 18th and 19th century Occupation, now may make a type of comeback with the ending of Milk Quotas, 1741 reference on Kenmare Estate, Dairy Agreement 1897.


The Dairyman, a Vanished 18th and 19th century Occupation, now may make a type of comeback with the ending of Milk Quotas, 1741 reference on Kenmare Estate, Dairy Agreement 1897.

There are references from the early 18th century to Dairymen. This was where a family rented a herd of cows from either a Landlord or a large tenant. The ‘rent’ would usually be high but a good dairyman with his family could make good money. The agreement below sets out the terms which were probably standard for a sizeable letting, done in an attorney’s office. The coming of the Land Acts in the early 20th century effectively finished this line of work.

The ending of milk quotas is again opening up new forms of farm organisation.

The O’Sullivan (Ceohanach/Johnny Owens) family for example originated in the Cousane/Kealkil area and over a number of generations were variously in Molivard, Derrysullivan, Dromreagh, Mulloch (now Jimmy Swantons), Rushkeeninaska (late Jim Dukelows), Friendly Cove (McSweeneys). A sample agreement is set out below. There was enough of a profit for a substantial dowry to be paid for one of the daughter in the late 1890s.

 

Possibly related:

 

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From the Carrigboy School records from 1866 the following names appear, Donovan in Crottees 1878, Wards Dromreagh 1886, Goggins in Glenlough 1903, Barrys in Rusheeninaska 1908. The Church of Ireland Chambers family were also active in the period in both the Durrus and Mizen areas..

Kenmare Estate 1740s:

 

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1897 Dairy Agreement Philips to Sullivan Rusheeninaska, Durrus.
Dairy Agreement for Rusheeeninaska, Durrus, Phillips:Sullivan 18th January 1897.

Some Rent receipts, Kenmare Estate 1741-46, Bantry Beara Area, William Sullivan, Florence Sullivan, Rev. Thomas Miller, Mort Sullivan, Gilbert Mellifont Donemark, Michael Murphy Newtown and Mills, Beversham Harman Laheran, Patrick Galwey Gurteenroe, Daniel Cronin Gortdarrug Cooloum, Thomas Hutchins Ballylickey, John Riordan Ballylickey, Patrick Minihane Donemark, Richard Tobin Mills Donemark, Ards Coomleigh, Denis Leary, John Harman.


Donemark:

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Gorteenroe:

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Ballylickey:

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Some Rent receipts, Kenmare Estate 1741-46, Bantry Beara Area, William Sullivan, Florence Sullivan, Rev. Thomas Miller, Mort Sullivan, Gilbert Mellifont Donemark, Michael Murphy Newtown and Mills, Beversham Harman Laheran, Patrick Galwey Gurteenroe, Daniel Cronin Gortdarrug Cooloum, Thomas Hutchins Ballylickey, John Riordan Ballylickey, Patrick Minihane Donemark, Richard Tobin Mills Donemark, Ards Coomleigh, Denis Leary, John Harman.

Bantry area substantial tenants 1742-1747 on Kenmare Estate

Gilbert Mellifont Donemark, rents collected by John Galwey of Cork and lodged in Hoares, John Harman, Lahern, Beversham Harman, Lahern, John Harman Derryduff, James Gallwey, Reendonegan/Donemark/Coomleigh, Henry Galwey and son Andrew, Droumsullivan/Glanneouogh, Patrick Galwey Gurteenroe, David Gallwey, Drounsullivan/Glancreagh, Denisl Leary, Gurtenroe, Richard Goodwin, Knockanacosduff, Thomas Huthins, Ballylickey,, Rev. Thomas MIller, Reendonegan, Michael Murphy Newtown arrears paid to James Gallwey, John Riordane Newtown, FRances Sullevane, Newtown, Richard Tobin Donemark Mills,

This is a selection of the rentals mentioned in the Casey Collection. In the main they are substantial tenants who would have worked some of the land themselves and in many cases sub let.

The Kenmare Estate was the Brownes/Herberts and was one of the few to remain in Catholic hands during the Penal Laws. It was probably O’Sullivan before the Confiscations.

Some records of the Kenmare Estate for Bantry District

1752, Daniel Harrington, Gortaweer, Beara, formerly under tenant of Puxley (he a poor payer of rent) now a direct tenant of Kenmare Estate has no English.

Catholic Middlemen on the Kenmare and Lansdowne Estates 1755 and 1775, Pride..Sloth..Drunkiness..Every one thinks himself too great for any industry except taking farms. When they happen to get them, they screw enormous rents from some beggarly dairyman and spend their whole time in the alehouse to the next village. If they have sons, they are to be bred to be priests, physicians or French officers; if daughters, they are bred to be no kind of industry but become encumbrances on their parents and the public an this sloth and beggary are transmitted from generation to generation. …1775.. Sauntering around the roads dong nothing, and their sons and daughters going to a dancing school at three shillings a quarter when they might be spinning or carding, digging or ploughing or sowing.

Memoir of Blind Harpist Arthur O’Neill, visit to Murtagh Mac Owen O’Sullivan at Berehaven, Co. Cork, Milesian Festival held by Lord Kenmare c 1720.

A stop is put to felling timber, June 1696, in forfeited woods near Bantry by Lord Bellemount’s steward. This was on Sir Nicholas Brown’s land commonly called Lord Kenmare, later which should have been reserved for the Navy. The coast has 24 privateers who report to the Western Irish, their friends, and land men and pillage the country, damaging Protestant families.

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Traditional Irish Marriage, in Early Medieval Ireland


Traditional Irish Marriage, in Early Medieval Ireland.

Marriage Customs from 1938 School Folklore Collection, Carrigboy National School, Durrus, West Cork and Wedding Stone Kilcrohane.

Pre 1798 the Women’s Cloaks in West Cork and Kerry were Dark Blue after Grey, Custom of Greeting as a Benediction, the Wench with the family of Bishop Berkeley who refused to carry out cinders as she was descended from the Ancient Kings of Ireland, Marriage Customs, Backaughs (Beggars) from Crofton Croker.

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Gideon Ouseley – A maverick Irish Methodist preacher.


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One of the best known Irish evangelists in the years after John Wesley’s death was
Gideon Ouseley who preached, often from horseback, at the fairs and markets,
both in English and in his native tongue. He was one of a small band of such
men who were often called ‘Calvary’ preachers (an adaption of cavalry) or
‘black caps.’ 

Gideon was born in Galway, to John Ouseley of Dunmore and Anne Surridge of Fairy Hill in the same County. Ouseley’s own brother told him off ‘for running up and down the country on one wild-goose chase after another, instead of staying at home like a sensible man’.

The more sophisticated Methodist congregations disliked him because they didn’t want to be constantly reminded of Hell. When he visited Dublin in 1820 he commented to Matthew Tobias in a letter that they ‘dreaded the very sight of him’. When he went to preach…

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Extracts from Diary 1622 of Richard Boyle, Great Earl of Cork, on Nonpayment by Blind John Power, of Rectorial Tithes, including Caheragh, Creagh, Kilcoe, Schull, Myross, West Cork, Gift to Lord Beaumont Departing, of Gelding, Caste of Falcons, Merlyns, 9 Barrels of Irish Fryce and Barrell of Pickled Scallops used for Food by the Irish, Sending Cutty (‘Cuidighe’ Irish for Companion) Ogle to England.


Extracts from Diary 1622 of Richard Boyle, Great Earl of Cork, on Nonpayment by Blind John Power, of Rectorial Tithes, including Caheragh, Creagh, Kilcoe, Schull, Myross, West Cork, Gift to Lord Beaumont Departing, of Gelding, Caste of Falcons, Merlyns, 9 Barrels of Irish Fryce and Barrell of Pickled Scallops used for Food by the Irish, Sending Cutty (‘Cuidighe’ Irish for Companion) Ogle to England.

Courtesy Dr. Casey collection.

The tithe references are possibly a relict of the Norman incursions to West Cork. These areas belonged to either St Catherine’s of Waterford or the College of Youghal. They appear in the accounts books of St Finbarrs Cathedral Cork, from the 1780s, the ledgers are in pristine condition in the RCB Library in Rathgar, Dublin.

Richard Boyle, Great Earl of Cork, on Sir William Hull of Leamcon, Schull and Sir Thomas Crook, founder of Baltimore who ‘Unjustly took his Falcons’, and Sir Fineen O’Driscoll gave him Falcons

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Payment of War Bonuses to Teachers during Word War 1, example Durrus National School, West Cork.


Payment of War Bonuses to Teachers during Word War 1, example Durrus National School, West Cork.

Included in the accounts records of the school, are computations of the relevant bonuses payable to teachers. This was widespread at the time, owing to a shortage of men in the United Kingdom of which Ireland was then a part.

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