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Compiled by Emery C. Daly
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The Bantry Estate records have a William Dealy eldest son of Michael and his brothers Samuel b 1800, Michael 1803 names as lives in a lease.
It is possible that the Bantry Dealys/Dalys are connected with the Landowning East Galway family of the 18th century powerful in politics as were the Gores with whom they were intermarried. This could account how many of the Bantry Dealys ended up in State positions as Customs and Fisheries in St. Johns, New Brunswick in the early 19th century.
1819, Michael Dealy, Gent, conveyed to Paul Kingston, shopkeeper, Bantry and William Dealy, his brother, then of H.M. boat Kedal?, part of lands at Dromkeal, Bantry, together with farming and fishing and fish curing utensils.
http://www.dalyclan.org/Letters/william.htm
Bantry Sep. 17, 1840
My Dear Micheal,
I have inst. rec 3 newspapers from you. (The last date 22nd Augt. 1840.) I wrote several times to you, and to W. Burns since the “Dealy’s” return on the 2nd July 1840. My letters were forwarded (I understood) by Steven Vessels and I am therefore surprised that they did not reach you before the S 22nd August. I also wrote per the “Dealy” which sailed from here on the 1st August 1840 for Quebec, both to W. Burns and yourself & hope, before the present date, that these letters have reached their destination. I was rather lucky, considering the slack state of trade here this season, to secure a Charter from my neighbour W. Riordan of Kenmare for a cargo of Timber & deals from Quebec – as the delivery there is next thing to being at home with me. sales at Bantry of Timber & deals have been nearly nonexistent I hope the prospect of a good harvest will cause a general improvement. Please to present my Compts to W. Burns & inform him that I paid his bill for the “Dealy’s” cargo on the 5th Inst- at the present moment I have nothing worth perusing to communicate but will shortly write to him. I purpose, with God’s assistance, to send the “Dealy” to St John’s very early next season with passengers – but as we have now a greater facility of sending letters. I will communicate frequently with on the subject during the Winter. We have strong rumors of a general war, but I hope it will not take place.
From the number of vessels which took out immigrants last year all our Irish markets are overstocked with American timber and the prices are consequently very low – with an additional duty layed on – that with an improvished population tenders sales bad and renumeration indifferent.
Private. I wrote you some disponding letters in April last. at that time I was hard pressed to meet some bills – and I was preparing to remove my boys from Rosscarbery School (Diocesan Secondary School) which would have been a severe blow to your aunt. but thank Providence I met more kind and good friends and if I can rub over another season I am in hopes that I will not owe any a man a shilling particularly if I can effect good sales & to encourage which I am offering goods on low terms. The fisheries have nearly failed here as yet this season & I hold a large stock of salt __ has improved the English market & I am a considerable holder.
When you write next please to inform me particularly as to quality and price etc generally as to how barreled herrings & American tar could be shipped & whether the deck load law would prevent barrels being brought on deck. The failure of the fishing here causes me to make this inquiry although I fear there will be no chance of my getting any of these articles this year in both ____.
As soon as I receive your expected letter I will write to you at all events I will do so shortly. Your mother and all your family are quite well. The new road to Bantry is nearly completed & will certainly enhance the value of Drumkeal (on road from Bantry to Ballylickey/Glengariff/Kenmare) very much.
Our Dunmanway friends are all in the enjoyment of health but the___ doing very little good.
Our Bantry Postmistress has been detected in forgery__ of money from letters – She made ___& was apprehended near Bristol. She is now in Gaol at Cork & will be tried at __ the next assizes.
Mr and Mrs Gastry are here with us on a visit this month and they request to be particularly remembered to you, Our little family are quite well Thank God and your Aunt unites with me in kindest wishes to Isabella & yourself and we hope that your little ones enjoy good health – present our kind wishes to Wm and his family to Eliza and her family and to Paul who I hope is maintaining his place with credit.
I am dear Michael yours affectionately
Wm J Dealy
WHAT BECAME OF THE GOOD SHIP “DEALY”?THE “DEALY” OF BANTRY, 400 TONS, IS NOW BEING FITTED OUT IN A VERY COMFORTABLE MANNER FOR THE RECEPTION OF PASSENGERS AND, WIND AND WEATHER PERMITTING, SHE WILL SAIL FOR ST JOHN’S NEW BRUNSWICK, ABOUT 25TH MARCH 1847. FOR FREIGHT OR PASSAGE APPLY TO THE OWNER W.J.DEALY, BANTRY.
CORK CONSTITUTION, FEBRUARY 8TH 1847
The Dealys lived at the time at Dromkeal, Ballylickey
Frank O’Mahony, Journal
Cumann Staire is Arsaiochta Beanntrai. 1992
(According to Griffiths’ Valuations, the Dalys had the following leases in Dromkeal in 1852: Samuel Daly held, from the Earl of Bantry, a house, offices and about 80 acres: and leased to Jeremiah Shea, Patrick Casey, Patrick Casey Jr, Patrick Casey Sr, Timothy Daly and John Daly each a house, most with a small garden: and to Rev John Murphy a Church. Samuel Daly leased also the Smithy at No 7, the Quay, Bantry, to Daniel Cronin. Mary Daly lived at No 11, and at No 12 William Daly had his office and Deal Yard, leased from John Alexander Bird)
THE “DEALY”The “Dealy”, which had been built by James Smith at Courteney Creek, New Brunswick, North America, in November 1839, and was registered at St John’s New Brunswick, 2nd December 1839, was the fifth ship to be given its certificate of British Registration at the small West Cork Port of Baltimore.
The “Dealy” was a two masted, eighty-four foot, Brig, twenty one feet Breadth at Midships with fifteen feet eight tenths Depth in hold at Midships. She was Carvel built, with a square stern, one deck no galleries and was rigged with a standing bowsprit. She had a burthen of 275 942/3800 tons as measured under the Act 5 & 6 Will IX cap 56 at a tonnage of 231 76/94 tons. Somewhat short of the 400 tons advertised in the Cork Constitution!
William Justin Dealy owned all 64 shares. Matthew Stirratt was the first Master (1840 – 1847). At St John’s New Brunswick, McNealy took over as Master on 30th November 1847, and on 22nd April 1848, at Skibbereen, Martin Dee became Master. The Crew Lists and Agreements record a voyage from Bantry in April 1847 to St John New Brunswick.
The crew were shown as: Matthew Stirratt (Master), William O’Neill (Mate), Denis Coughlan (2nd Mate), James Barry (Carpenter), Michael Baker, Archibald Molloy and John McCarthy (Seamen), John Connolly (Cook) and Francis Whoolahan and John Donovan (Apprentices). The “Dealy” arrived on, or just before 19th June and sailed on or just after 6th July from Gloster (Gloucester), where the crew were paid off on 25th August.
The “Dealy crossed the Atlantic with 7 crew and 2 apprentices. The Mate (O’Neal) had to be left in the Marine Hospital. The Carpenter (Barry) and a Seaman (McCarthy), both Articled Seamen, were reported by the Master, on 6th July 1847, as drowned after arrival in Port, at St John’s and another Seaman (Baker) died at the Quarantine Station there. With only the Master, 2nd Mate one seaman and the Apprentices for the return voyage they had to sign a new Mate (Pugh) and four Seamen.
To procure Pugh’s services he had to be paid twice the wage of his predecessor. The Seamen got 5. 10s. Connolly the surviving Seaman was only getting 3 a month. Seaman Molloy, after signing on, failed to appear and was deleted from the Crew List. The Agreement was witnessed by Wm. J Dealy no less.
In September 1847, the “Dealy” sailed for St John’s again, from Gloster. The crew were Matthew Stirratt from Salcombe, Master, Denis Coughlan from Baltimore 2nd Mate, Richard Henwood from Cornwall, F. Leary from Hamburg, Samuel Aldridge from New Jersey, Michael Kelly from Galway, M. Thomas from London, Saul Profsen St Davids, John O’Brien, Bantry, John Riley Liverpool and Charley Allen, Galafoh were the seamen.
Crew members were allocated the following rations: 1lb bread 1 ½ beef per man per day; 10 oz sugar, 1 ¾ oz tea, 4 oz coffee, per man per week; and 3 ½ oz sugar to be served with lime juice per week, or vinegar.
Arriving on or just before 1st November, the Master and 2nd Mate were the only crew continuing in the ship. A crew of 5 were recruited in Bristol, and with one (Harm) failing to join, the crew for the outward voyage with a total crew of 6. An interesting entry in the Agreement is the prohibition of sheath knives and spirits! In St John’s, Stirratt, the Master, discharged himself, the four seamen all deserted, leaving the 2nd Mate on his own.
A new Master (McNealy) and Mate (Dee) and five seamen were signed on. She departed for Bantry on or soon after 30th November 1847. However McNealy died on 28th December, leaving the Mate (Dee) as acting Master to complete the voyage. In Bantry the crew were paid off on 21st January 1848.
The next voyage was to St John’s again, departing in April 1848, and arriving on or just before 22nd June. Martin Dee had been confirmed as Master, and a total crew of 11 was signed, one of whom (Buckley) failed to join. Again, three deserted, one was left in hospital and the Mate (Grainger) was drowned on 27th July 1848. A new Mate, a cook and two extra seamen were signed in St John’s. The Agreement was signed, not by William Justin Dealy himself, but by John R. Dealy (his son). The Crew List again shows the places of birth: Martin Dee in Yougal, Frederick Grainger and Jeremiah Crowley Cork, Maurice Donegan Bartholemew Berehaven and John Molloy Baltimore, Thomas Davies Liverpool, Cornelius Sullivan and John Riley, Bere Island, Jermiah Sullivan and John Spillane Bantry, John McAuley Philadelphia, Peter Brown Dublin and John Hooman Ilfracombe. On or just after 20th July 1848 the “Dealy” sailed for Arbroath, arriving 15th September 1848.
The Certificate of Registration is endorsed with a note of the report of the loss of the vessel which, according to Lloyd’s List of 1848 was totally wrecked off the Cornish coast on 13th November.
The records show the birth places of other crew members. Matthew Stirratt and William O’Neal were born in Salcombe, James Barry in Bantry, Michael Baker, John McCarthy John Connolly and William Eagan in Baltimore, William Pugh in Reading, William Cooper and Henry Gillicuddy in Halifax, Michael Henery in Dublin John Donovan in Goleen and Francis Whoolahan in Bantry.
It is believed that William Dealy also owned the Kingston.
Frank Mahony, in Cumann Staire is Arsaiochta Beanntrai 1992
Richard Griffith’s Valuation1853
PRO, Certificate of Registration and Crew Lists and Agreements 1847-48, PRO BT.107/381, PRO BT.98/1154, PRO BT.98/15021
1998 addendum by Emery C. Daly: In the book Irish Immigration to New England through the Port of Saint John New Brunswick Canada 1841-1849″ by Daniel F. Johnson I found the following arrival dates for the Brig Dealy. All voyages originated in Bantry co Cork Ireland.
May 16, 1841
Sept 15, 1841
May 27, 1842
Sept 4, 1845
May 12, 1846
May 27, 1847
June 21, 1848
I don’t know where the Dealy was during 1843 and 1844 but the June 1848 voyage from Bantry to Saint John was obviously the last one across the Atlantic.
The Bantry Dealys are Dalys from East Galway, Dunsandle, although Emery Daly suggests that the DNA evidence is not supportive:
http://lordbelmontinnorthernireland.blogspot.ie/2013/12/dunsandle-house.html
http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1820-1832/member/daly-james-1782-1847
They had intermarried with the powerful political Gore clan whose Dublin base was in Dominic Street, then the fashionable upper class Georgian Street of Parliamentarians and Legal Luminaries on the Northside of Dublin.
They were probably in Bantry by mid 18th century at the fishing business with the Jagoes, Meades, Galweys, Murphys, Youngs and Vickeries.
There was a migration of many of these Bantry families to St. Johns, New Brunswick from the late 18th century. Family memoirs of the Dealy family in NB suggest political influence in preferment. Many of the Dealys ended up in NB as Fishery Inspectors and Customs officials.
The Finnyvara, Clare & East Galway Dalys share the same Y-DNA signature and we posit these Dalys were an original Teffia/Tethba branch of the Southern Ui Neill. They did have a split in the early 18th century in which the Dunsandle branch assimilated the Established Church and disassociated with their Gaelic culture to maintain their land holdings. And, indeed the Dalys who governed New Brunswick (Malachy Bowes Daly and others) were of this specific Dunsandle branch. In fact, anecdotally, they are responsible for the reference to the Miramichi River in NB as the local Shannon River, deep within the oral history of the area.
And, it is somewhat accepted without examination that the Dealy Brig of Bantry would have been these Galway Dalys, but it is historically and genetically uncertain. It is fact that they adopted the DEALY variation in pronunciation and English orthography while operating their line of work in the Bantry area. But, this was entertained ONLY to distinguish their family origins from the local Dalys, not their allegiances. So, they very well could have been Gaelic preserving and Catholic cousins of the Dunsandle Dalys of the fishery industry made aware of the human social/business need to be provided. Regardless, it is known, the Dealy Brig transported West Cork Irish to New Brunswick, including Dalys, and all of these transportees/famine emigrants from Cork highly unlikely to author the Miramichi/Shannon comparison.
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Quite a lot of information contained in one brief letter, regarding the conditions in Bantry in the 1840’s.
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