Grand Jury (with some background) Sworn in for Cork Spring Assizes, 1863 by The High Sheriff, Thomas Somerville, Drishane Esq., Foreman The Right Honourable Henry Boyle Bernard Esq., Coolmaine Castle, Bandon, M.P., Sir George Conway, Colhurst, Ardum, Bart., Richard Oliver Aldworth, Newmarket House, Esq., Mountifort Longfield, Castlemartyr, Esq., Nicholas Dunscomb, Mountdesert, Esq., Thomas St. John Conat.,, Kilmurray House, Esq., Henry John Townsend, Castletownsend, Esq., Robert Heard, Kinsale, Esq, Thomas French Simpson, William S Meade, Ballymartle, Esq., Edward Daly., Kinsale, Esq., Thomas Parsons Belaird, Pembroke, Esq., Timothy O’Donovan, O’Donovan’s Cove, Durrus Esq., Horace Townsend, Derry, Esq., George B Treselian?, Bandon, Esq., Freeman Crofts, Cloughfadda House, Blarney, Esq., Thomas Leahy, South Terrace, Esq., William B Leslie, Lislee, Esq., Henry Hardy, Firmount?, Esq., John William Payne, Beach House, Bantry, Esq., Jonathan Bruce, Milltown Castle, Esq., Maxwell Gumbelton, Kilmaturin Esq.


The line up probably overstates the influence of the landed families at 1863. Many of the Estates were hopelessly insolvent and would go through a NAMA process in the landed Estates Court.

The administrative functions of the Grand Jury were carried out by a Secretariat staffed by a County Treasurer and County Surveyor among others. The functions were transferred to the new County Councils in 1898.

Catholics were admitted as Attorneys and Barristers from around 1780s and by 1860 there were catholic Judges and plenty of Catholic and Liberal Protestant lawyers in practice.

Some Cork Lawyers:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mMDGaZCW9Z6Cq_C_gwm_FB2orzTe2WxR0WcLXjZZO40/edit#gid=0

Grand Jury (with some background) Sworn in for Cork Spring Assizes, 1863 by The High Sheriff.

Thomas Somerville, Drishane Esq.

The Somervilles came to Cork from Scotland as Religious Refugees in the late 17th century, made a fortune from trade and invested in West Cork land 18th century.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2398

Foreman The Right Honourable Henry Boyle Bernard Esq., Coolmaine Castle, Bandon, M.P. He was active in flax promotion. He was managing the Western estate for the Bernard (Lord Bandon) family. Either through lack of competence or financial probity he was fired and replaced by the bandon family of Attorneys and Land Agents, Wheeler Dohertys. their detailed records are available in the Cork Archives.

Sir George Conway, Colhurst, Ardum, Bart.,
Blarney probably since late Elizabethan times

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=1940

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2793

Richard Oliver Aldworth, Newmarket House, Esq.,

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2527

Mountifort Longfield, Castlemartyr, Esq. Probably a descendant by marriage to the great Earl of Cork, Richard Boyle.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=2514

Nicholas Dunscomb, Mountdesert, Esq. Family active 18th century in property development Cork City. Mount Desert now owned by Bons Secours Medical Group.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2518

Thomas St. John Conat.,, Kilmurray House, Esq.

Henry John Townsend, Castletownsend, Esq. Cromwellians held extensive lands in West Cork. Colonel JOhn Townsend, in Australia has done extensive work on the family.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2288

Robert Heard, Kinsale, Esq, came to Bandon area with Sir Walter Raleigh.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2106

Thomas French Simpson.

William S Meade, Ballymartle, Esq. The Meades may be of Danish/Viking (like Cotters) descent. One of the old Cork Mercantile families some branches converted to the Church of Ireland.

Edward Daly., Kinsale, Esq. Various branches of the O’Dalys came to Cork around the end of the 13th century as ‘Rhymers’ Filí to the McCarthys and O’Mahonys.

Thomas Parsons Belaird, Pembroke, Esq.

The Parsons came to Youghal with Richard Boyle later to Offaly. Probably same family.

Timothy O’Donovan, O’Donovan’s Cove, Durrus Esq. His grandfather bought an Estate in the Muintervara Peninsula c 1750 probably the first catholic since Cromwell. One of first Catholic Magistrates well regarded. Supporter O’Connell. Interconnected with McCarthys. McSweenys, O’Sullivans, O’Connell’s, correspondent with Dr. John O’Donovan. No trace of estate except gate and walls. One of extended family Tom O’Donovan, Glanlough going to creamery with horse and cart to 1950s.

Horace Townsend, Derry, Esq.

George B Treselian?, Bandon, Esq. Merchants and Lawyers Bandon.

Freeman Crofts, Cloughfadda House, Blarney, Esq.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3209&estate_id=2663

Thomas Leahy, South Terrace, Esq.

Architects and property developers Cork.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=3077

William B Leslie, Lislee, Esq. Probably Bence Jones house.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=2979

Henry Hardy, Firmount?, Esq.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3198

John William Payne, Beach House, Bantry, Esq. Paynes were unbeneficed Clergymen and Land Agents to Lord Bantry among others. Main house Upton. Beach House still extent owned by Wagner family of Rowa Pharmaceuticals.

Jonathan Bruce, Milltown Castle, Bandon, Esq.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/family-show.jsp?id=2544

Maxwell Gumbelton, Kilmaturin Esq. estates all ove Co. Cork, Botanic gardens in Harbour area.

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2491

Emigration 1863, Desolation Schull and Goleen, 40 a week leaving, Crowds besieging Office of John F Levis, Skibbereen, Agent to Imman Line, Groups Waiting Car to Bandon to get Train to Cork,Lord Bandon’s Western agent taking Land Back at Tenant’s Request, Farms that Would have got £300 for Goodwill Deserted Tenantless.


https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Goleen+Holiday+Cottages,+Co.+Cork/@51.4961595,-9.71183,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x484584e3360d1037:0x8b765ef17f6c57f1

Emigration 1863, Desolation Schull and Goleen, 40 a week leaving, Crowds besieging Office of John F Levis, Skibbereen, Agent to Imman Line, Groups Waiting Car to Bandon to get Train to Cork, Lord Bandon’s Western agent taking Land Back at Tenant’s Request, Farms that Would have got £300 for Goodwill Deserted Tenantless.

The Devastation of the Famine and Emigration as Evidenced by the Local Loan Reproduction Records

West Cork Emigration to Rochester, New York, Online Records.

Irish Female Emigration to New South Wales 1832, ‘The Committee for Promoting the Emigration of Single Women ‘, Cork to Sydney, Free Passage and some Australian Themes.

Emigration of Salter, Cole, Connell and Aldrich families in 1840s from Skibereen area West Cork, to Byron, Wisconsin, USA.

Methodist Congregations and Emigration, Cork and Kerry, 1886

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March 1863, Charles Thomas has chartered Schooner from Drogheda ‘Monkey’ Captain David Carroll to take 130 tons of Sulphate of Barytes from The Earl of Bandon’s Mine at Derrynalomane from Ballydehob to Liverpool.


https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Derreennalomane,+Co.+Cork/@51.5863811,-9.5281993,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x48459f1017e6ba6b:0x2600c7a7bb4c0372

March 1863, Charles Thomas has chartered Schooner from Drogheda ‘Monkey’ Captain David Carroll to take 130 tons of Sulphate of Barytes from The Earl of Bandon’s Mine at Derrynalomane from Ballydehob to Liverpool.

In time the developed mine would the, if not, then one of the largest in the world. A specially constructed jetty in Dunmanus Bay was fed by an Aerial Ropeway. The mine closed in 1920 due to a combination of post World War 1 depression and the effect of the Troubles locally. In its prime around 1910 it employed over 150 men in well paid jobs. The school register of Carrigboy (Durrus) reflects this in the father’s occupations.

Barytes Mines Derreenlomane, (Doirín na Lomán: Little Oakwood), Ballydehob, West Cork.

Overview of mining in West Cork, commencement of copper mining, Allihies 1813, Ballycumisk and Horse Island 1814, Balllydehob 1820, Cappagh 1820, Gortavallig Kilrohane pre 1854 and 1890, Barytes Bantry, Scart, Derryinagh, Dereenlomane, Mount Gabriel, Dunbeacon Lead in Ballydehob, Gortycloona/Hollyhill (Bantry), Letter, Skeagh.

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March, 1863, First Soiree of the Skibbereen Scientific and Literary Society, with Oration on Literary Irishmen, Varied With Appropriated ‘Irish Melodies’ sung by Mr. C. Edmondson, Professor of Music.


https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Skibbereen,+Co.+Cork/@51.5559239,-9.2621303,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x4845a5b8ee671cad:0x28dab316351c3ffb

March, 1863, First Soire of the Skibbereen Scientific and Literary Society, with Oration on Literary Irishmen, Varied With Appropriated ‘Irish Melodies’ sung by Mr. C. Edmondson, Professor of Music.

Skibbereen Eagle:

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The Tobins of Kilcrohane, West Cork, from Catholic Church Records, Muintervara from 1819, the Seven Sisters of Gloun early 19th Century and John F Kennedy Connection, 1740s Lease of Donemark Mills, 1820s Lease of Part of Whiddy Island, Richard ‘King’ Tobin and Lord Bantry, Road Contractors, Richard Tobin, Letter, Member Bantry Board of Guardians.


https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Letter+Lower,+Co.+Cork/@51.5628999,-9.7606008,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x484583af7861609f:0x51bba18059bc3c3b

The Tobins of Kilcrohane, West Cork, from Catholic Church Records, Muintervara from 1819, the Seven Sisters of Gloun early 19th Century and John F Kennedy Connection, 1740s Lease of Donemark Mills, 1820s Lease of Part of Whiddy Island, Richard ‘King’ Tobin and Lord Bantry, Road Contractors, Richard Tobin, Letter, Member Bantry Board of Guardians.

There was a certain amount of difficulty associated with the Whiteboys up to the 1820s at the western end of the Muintervara peninsula. The times were unsettled with a slump caused by the end of the Napoleonic wars. This formed a small part of n Lord Bantry’s estate which was managed by Mr Bird. Lord Bantry remarked that Tobin of Lower Letter had done more than all the magistrates to root out ‘Whiteboyism’ and that he was ‘King of the West’ after which he was known as ‘King Tobin’.

It was said locally of the Tobins that they would be seen on a horse, with a gun and a dog.

The Kilcrohane ‘King’, Tobins were part of a network of prosperous Catholic families in the general area. These would include The McCarthys and Murnanes of Letterlickey from 1820s leases of Hutchinson estate. The Catholic Shannons of Brahalish who married into the Tobins would be in the category, there were Wards Minor Landlords of Glenlough and Droumatinaheen early 1800s. The Rosses of Glendart and Crowleys of Ballyourane, Caheragh. These families even though far apart tended to inter marry and as the 19th century went up produced clergy, teachers and later professionals.

Richard Tobin Junior, probably in the 1850s in Durrus but from Letter, Kilcrohane, was probably a member of the Bantry Board of Guardians from the late 1850s and represented Cess Payers at meetings of Magistrates. One of the Richard Tobins was probably the contractor with Thomas Donovan who got the contract for the road repair from Durrus to Kilcrohane 1869 for £2.

Contract July 1864 for new road from Skibbereen to Dunmanway and Bantry and also Inchigeela to Richard Tobin, Daniel Gallagher, James Fitzgerald for £272. The Tobins were intermarried with the Baltimore Fitzgeralds who were the same family as JF Kennedy’s mothers. The Kilcrohane Gallaghers were also related by marriage. Skibbereen Eagle 16th July 1864.

In the family lore it is believed that an early form of gelignite was used in the roadworks. Many of the extended family were later to go to the USA and engage in road works as well as settling in Casper, Wyoming..

A 3 year contract from O’Donovan’s Cove to Ahakista with George Bird (also Agent to Lord Bantry) to keep road in repair: Skibbereen Eagle 17th January 1863.

There is were also Tobins members of the Church of Ireland in Fahane possibly associated with the Atteridges.
The local O’Donovan Landlord Family:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eq_IayaxdUyWZWbpDf6LWlLNg7o-3tNJiqPGYIALy80/edit

Reverend/Father Daniel McCarthy and the Blairs:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BnjAwZ6eFk_0sTMsjxYBo3YFQLNqJ4J2utWIftpJXqs/edit

In the surname distribution post 1845 in the Registration districts:

http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=tobin&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&type=B&submit=Search

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=tobin&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=muintervara&yyfrom=&yyto=&diocese=&parish=&century=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&event=M&keyword=&submit=Search

The name is clearly based in the West Waterford, South Tipperary and South Kilkenny areas. There are outliers in Clonakilty and Bantry. The Bantry ones are most likely based in Kilcrohane or people who were originally based there.

There are long standing links between Waterford and Kilcrohane. In the 1780s ledgers of the Cathedral of St.Finbarrs of Cork there are townland of Kilcrohane listed. This probably arises from the Norman Monastery of St. Catherines? of Waterford or Youghal having an interest inland and tithes which later transferred to the Earl of Cork.

In family lore the seven Tobin sisters were from Gloun in the farm currently farmed by Charlie Donovan. One of them is reputed to have married a Fitzgerald of Baltimore and they are the ancestors of US President JF Kennedy’s mother of Boston.  The other version is that the other Kilcrohane Tobin line has that connection.

In the Kenmare Estate records of the 1740s a Richard Tobin is leasing the Mills of Donemark outside Bantry. There is a later lease on the Bantry Estate c 1820 involving the Tobins. Interestingly one of the lives named is one of the children of Timothy O’Donovan, of O’Donovan’s Cove, a Catholic Landlord and Magistrate.

In the 19th century the Tobins of Kilcrohane were the local agents to that part of the Bantry Estate. One, the ‘King’ became notorious. In one reputed instance he cleared an area of the smaller tenants. One of their descendants who emigrated to America, did very well and had a lifetime ambition to urinate on the grave of the ‘King’, in later life he succeeded in doing so.

Richard Tobin of Durrus originally Kilcrohane was in the late 19th century a very successful businessman, with a hotel in Durrus probably now Rosses, landing sea sand opposite the Good Time Cafe and paying royalties to the Bandon Estate, He was also renting large tracts of land. In the 1901 census his daughter was an art student most unusual for the time.  He either owned or was enting Blair’s Coe in 1909 as he is listed as having pedigree cattle by the Congested Districts Board.

He made his money in the Australian Gold Rush (according to local lore) in the 1860s and returned. His family is most likely associated with the memorials in Durrus Church built 1900 and the enormous Celtic Cross Tombstone just opposite the church. He may also be of the same.

Tobins and related O’Mahony major fish merchants at the time.

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1830. Applications to set up National Schools, Durrus and Drimoleague, West Cork 1830.

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Thomas Teer ‘will make the clothes and mend the soul’


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One of the first Sunday Schools in Ireland was commenced in the early 1780’s by Rev Dr Kennedy the incumbent of Bright Parish in Co Down. [He was also the principal of a boarding / day school in Downpatrick.] His parish clerk was Thomas Teer and he became one of the teachers.

When the Methodist preachers arrived in the area Thomas, being a strict churchman, had many scruples about going to hear them. His solution was to take his Bible with him and judge their sermons on the basis of Scripture. He was clearly convinced and soon became a zealous Methodist himself.

He settled in Killough where he followed his trade as a tailor. His house was opened for the preachers and, in due course, he became a local preacher. When the split came he threw in his lot with the Primitive Wesleyans and was present at some of their Conferences.

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The Brooks/Brookes of Dromreagh (Drom Riabhach, stripe, grey ridge), Durrus, West Cork coming early 19th century as Weavers from Ryelands, Raphoe, on the Abercorn Estate in East Donegal, some go to New Zealand early 20th century, and 1926 sale of family holding Dromreagh on move to Courtmacsherry, subject to ‘a trifling annuity’ with an acre and a half of furze meadow.


Raphoe:

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Raphoe,+Co.+Donegal/@54.87387,-7.5994379,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x485fc18bdecdaa07:0xa00c7a997321fb0

Tenants on the Abercorn estate, 1794:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/abercorn.htm

Dromreagh:

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Dromreagh,+Co.+Cork/@51.6143084,-9.5034165,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x48459fbf5aa6407b:0x2600c7a7bb4c0162

The Brooks/Brookes of Dromreagh (Drom Riabhach, stripe, grey ridge), Durrus, West Cork coming early 19th century as Weavers from Ryelands, Raphoe, on the Abercorn Estate in East Donegal, some go to New Zealand early 20th century, and 1926 sale of family holding Dromreagh on move to Courtmacsherry, subject to ‘a trifling annuity’ with an acre and a half of furze meadow.

The sale in 1926 was by Richard Kingston (Brooks on his mother’s side) who was moving to Maraboro in Courtmacsherry. This is consistent with a pattern at the time to move to better land and larger farms nearer Cork City.

The Brooks came from East Donegal either around 1805 or later in the century as weavers to Dromreagh in Durrus. In that and the surrounding townlands of Coolculaghta and Ardogeena there are a number of families who probably came into the area as weavers such as the Lannins, Johnsons, possibly again from the North of Ireland.

Susan Baretta of Salt Lake City in Utah’s work on the 1830 Tithe Applotments shows the families resident in the relevant townlands who had some type of property interest:

http://www.corkgen.org/publicgenealogy/cork/titheapplot/durrus/tithe.html

The Brooks were largely Methodist as were some of the families from a weaving background. There are a number of marriages to Methodist families such as branches of the Drimoleague Kingstons, Sullivans, Clarks, the can now be accessed in general terms in the digitalised civil records:

http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/agreement.jsp

In the mid 18th century Sir Richard Cox founded Dunmanway and introduced flax and linen weaving with the assistance of families from North Leitrim and Fermanagh. Across the hill from Dromreagh the Beecher Estate brought down the Marmions from Dundalk around 1740 to improve the estate which probably included the introduction of flax

The townlands mentioned were in the ownership of the Evanson family at the time. It is not possible to say if they directl ran the estate or had a stewart.

The work of Gordon Kingston and Anne Coury in New Zealand has tracked the marriages and movement of family members and with credit to them is included here, at 1g:

Descendants of William John Kingston of Clodagh, Drimoleague

Richard Kingston Dromreagh 1926