Henry Wintrop ‘The O’Donovan’ (1812-1890), TCD, MA, DL. Pre 1910, Clann Cathal, Lis Ard, Skibbereen, son Rev. Morgan, Cork ed Dr. Coughlan, m Amelia d ‘The O’Grady’, Courcy O’Grady, Kilbollyowne, Co.Limerick. Son Colonel Morgan William MA, J.P., ‘The O’Donovan’ and Alicia Jones. 1869 Public Appeal for Mr. Patrick Walsh, Skibbereen and His Family Whose Flax Mill Destroyed by Fire. His Landlord The O’Donovan had Encouraged him., 1864 Cattle Show West Carbery Agricultural Society, Lissard, Skibbereen held in his grounds. Attending 17 Grand Jury presentments. Supporter Nicholas Leader, Conservative, 1865 County Cork Election. Interest in antiquities. Donor to the church bell fund, 1869, St. Nicholas, Cork. (Cork Daily Southern Reporter 26th March 1869). 1884, signed a protest against the dismissal of Lord Rossmore, head of Orange Order, Monaghan. Probate to Morgan O’Donovan, Lissard, Bishop Gregg, Cork, John Carson, Fellow Trinity College Dublin, £30,292.
See the enclosed from 1812 Skibbereen, after 2 bodies were discovered the inquest recorded a verdict of wilful murder and some of the suspects escaped. Presumably this verdict would only be the start of a process culminating in a criminal trial? There is provision her for payment ot informers a favoured tactic of irish 19th century criminal law. There is probably more to this then the 2 murders looking at the massed number of Magistrates offering rewards but we will probably never get the full story.
All of the fugitives are aka Trá. I wonder what that means? It surely can’t have anything to do with trá as in strand.
Most likely a sub branch of the O’Donovan of which there are numerous branches. Trá is probably a strand most likely this branch originated near the coast.
The lake at Castle Jean (Jane) probably Bawnlahan ancestral home of The O’Donovan. The O’Donovan in the mid 18th century a widower in his 60s contracted a second marriage to Jane Beecher either 14, 15 or 16 depending on the version and had a 2nd family. He renamed the Estate Castle Jane but the name never stuck.
1812 Meeting of Magistrates in Skibbereen Offering a Reward for the Apprehension of Persons (Florence and James Donovan Trá and John Driscoll) Against whom a Verdict of Wilful Murder was Recorded but Absconded
In the Harbour of Leap there is a very small point known as Simon’s point. Simon was a Landlord’s Agent and he lived at Bán Leáthan with his mother. Bán Leáthan is the second next townland directly west of Leap Harbour. At the appointed time he collected the rents from the tenants and arranged to take the money to Cork to the Land Lord. At that time the nearest market for produce of the farm etc was Cork and the only method of conveyance was a horse or boat. There was a family of the Donvan’s living in Myross Mick [?] Donovan Trágha. The were going marketing on Certain day to Cork. Simon arranged to travel with them. They set out at midnight on their voyage or their journey. The Donovan family both men and women had arranged to murder Simon and rob him. And so they did close to his home. They cut off his head and threw both his head and body into the sea at this point known since as Simon’s Point. His body after some time floated When Simon was not returning his mother raised an alarm. When the Headless Body was picked up it was believed to be that of Simon. The Donovan family fearing that the mother would give any information against them, watched her going to the well, and put her head downwards into it. When she was dead they made a grave in the Kitchen of her own home, and buried her there. The Donovan’s were arrested and tried in Cork for the murder of Simon. There was scarcely any evidence against them, and there was no one would would recognise the body. The mother was reported missing. The Donovans were set free and the Pólies were ordered from Cork to find the missing woman. When the Donovans got outside the city, one of the men offered to go back and confess to the murder of both. He thought it better to have one hanged, than the whole family. The women refused to allow him to do so. One of the women took off her boots, and some of her clothing and ran from Cork to Bán Leáthan She arrived there before the Polies. She got some friend with her and they removed the body from the grave in the kitchen. Where they hid it us one ever knew. When the polies arrived they saw the Grave and knew the body had been removed. They made a close search but failed to find the body.At that time there were a number of sand Loitess[?] dredging sand in the harbour. According to the tide they were often late coming up give any information against them, watched her going to the well, and put her head downwards into it. When she was dead they made a grave in the Kitchen of her own home, and buried her there. The Donovan’s were arrested and tried in Cork for the murder of Simon. There was scarcely any evidence against them, and there was no one would would recognise the body. The mother was reported missing. The Donovans were set free and the Pólies were ordered from Cork to find the missing woman. When the Donovans got outside the city, one of the men offered to go back and confess to the murder of both. He thought it better to have one hanged, than the whole family. The women refused to allow him to do so. One of the women took off her boots, and
some of her clothing and ran from Cork to Bán Leáthan She arrived there before the Polies. She got some friend with her and they removed the body from the grave in the kitchen. Where they hid it us one ever knew. When the polies arrived they saw the Grave and knew the body had been removed. They made a close search but failed to find the body.
At that time there were a number of sand Loitess[?] dredging sand in the harbour. According to the tide they were often late coming up. o Leap, and they were startled by the voice at Simon’s point. They could see no one but they could plainly hear “Cur mo Ceann i dteannta mo Coirp”. They decided to drag the water close to where Simon’s body was found. They found the head and buried it in the same grave with Simon’s body and the voice was never heard since
Re: Annie Roycroft, this is what I have regarding her family line:
GG-Grandfather: John Roycroft of Ardravinna.
>G-Grandparents: Thomas Roycroft (b. Jan. 11, 1824 in Ardravinna; d. Oct. 17, 1898 in Ardravinna) m. Elizabeth Roycroft (b. 1827 in Lissacaha; d. bef. 1898). They were married Feb. 5, 1852 in Schull Parish Church. Elizabeth Roycroft’s parents were William Roycroft (b. abt. 1800 in Lissacaha) and Mary (or Margaret) Connell.
>>Grandparents: John Roycroft (b. Nov. 7, 1853 in Ardravinna, Schull; d. Feb. 18, 1941 in Ardravinna) m. Sarah Johnson of Ardravinna in 1877.
>>>Parents: Thomas Roycroft (b. March 15, 1881 in Schull; d. Dec. 29, 1962) and Annie Stephens (b. Aug. 31, 1891, from Milltown, Co. Kerry; d. Dec. 29, 1977). Thomas enlisted in the R.I.C. in 1906, and settled in Bangor, Co. Down in the 1920s.
>>>>Annie Roslyn Roycroft m. Joseph Stephens
Grandmothers homeplace
1907, Evidence of Councillor Ned Roycroft, Mount Gabriel Schull to The Royal Commission On Congestion in Ireland.
Charles Racraft/Raycroft (Roycroft), (1824-1900), Possible relatives. 1857 stamp distributor, Macroom. 1878, Gurteenroe House, Macroom, Resident, £21. Native Bountenagh, Bantry. Attending the funeral of his sister Mrs. Thomas Dillon Bantry 1892. Started in Welplys Drapery, Macroom then went to Dublin but on the death of his former boss he took over and expanded the business. Married to the daughter of Dr. Barrett, Macroom, he is a Landlord 1890s in the greater Bantry area probably from his brother Edward Barrett whose wife inherited a substantial amount of her father’s property; he was William O’Sullivan, Esq., Carriganass Castle, Kealkil. Director Cork to Macroom Railway. Ex-Officio Poor Law Guardian, Macroom. Uncle of the Catholic Bishop of Waterford, Dr. Sheehan. Probate to son in law Henry B. Minihear, Bank Manager, £7,457.
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Edward (Ned) Roycroft (1850-1937), 1894, Mount Gabriel, Schull, farmer, listed 1913. 1892 Poor Law Guardian. Attending the funeral, Bantry Jane Dillon nee Roycroft (1843-1892). 1899 Chairman Schull Board of Guardian and District Council. Farmer 1901 has one servant. One of the first to be elected to Cork County Council. Signed Requisition 1905. Cork Junction Railway Bill. Requisition to the Right Honourable The Earl of Bandon K.P., to Call a meeting for the purpose of Approving the Cork Junctions Railway Bill. 1907 Evidence Of Ned Roycroft, Mount Gabriel, County Councillor, Magistrate, Merchant at Schull to Royal Commission on Congestion in Ireland. Widespread Congestion and Poverty, Fisheries, Half Cottiers Half Fishermen, Minerals and Mines, The Rev Hinks, Landlord cut Down 100 acres of Forestry before he Sold to the Land Commission, Proposes Central Bacon Curing Station for West Cork. 1911 executive committee Carbery Show. 1913 attending funeral of Mrs. Mary O’Sullivan nee O’Driscoll, Kilthomane, Crottees, Durrus. 1914 County Council election assentors Dr. John Shipsey and Rev. G.B. Fairbrother. Vice President Carbery Show 1915. Married Kate McCarthy associated with the Irish Parliamentary Party, probably ancestor of spouse of Michael Pat Murphy, TD, and spouse of John O’Donoghue, TD and former Cathaoirleach Dáil, Co. Council 1910, listed 1921. West Cork Roycrofts according to family lore descend from two Cromwellian brothers who came to Bandon. His son William who succeeded him on the Co. Council. Quite a number of the extended Roycroft family were employed at the workhouse or Union. Chairman Schull Board of Guardians, Skibbereen to Schull Railway, Committee member Cork Mental Hospital. Supported Treaty, nominated and supported Jasper Wolfe as a TD. Partner with his son in a drapery shop in Schull. Huge funeral.
Roycroft County Surveyor Bantry 1920s probably of Mount Gabriel.Schull line, among his grandchildren, the late Kevin Feeny, High Court Judge:
The Holmes Justice of Kanturk may have West Cork roots. The Secretary Nicholson of Cork may be of the family that controlled Woodford Bourne’s wine merchants.
What Is a Tontine?
Tontine is the name of an early system for raising capital in which individuals pay into a common pool of money and receive dividends based on their share of returns from investments made with the pooled money.
As members of the group died, they were not replaced with new investors so the proceeds were divided among fewer and fewer members. The surviving investors profited from the deaths of people they knew, a feature that many considered macabre.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
Tontine is the name of an early system for raising capital where individuals pay into a common pool of money.
In the U.S., tontines were popular in the 1700s and 1800s, then faded in the early 1900s.
Tontine investors paid lump sums upon joining and received annual dividend-like payments until death.
Shares of a deceased tontine investor were divided among the surviving members, and the shares for remaining members increase as more members die.
Understanding a Tontine
Although they seem alien today, tontines have a storied pedigree that reaches back at least half a millennium. The name comes from a 17th-century Italian financier, Lorenzo de Tonti.1 It is not clear whether he actually invented the tontine, but Tonti did famously pitch a tontine scheme to the French government in the 17th century as a way for King Louis XIV to raise money.
For this reason, historians suggest that Tonti’s idea originated with the financial folkways of his native Italy. The idea didn’t catch on at first, and Tonti eventually landed in the Bastille.
A few decades later, in the late Middle Ages tontines became widespread in Europe as a financing tool for the royal courts. Because levying taxes was often out of the question, European monarchs borrowed, predominantly via tontines, to fund their internecine wars.
At the height of their popularity in the 1900s, tontines represented almost two-thirds of the insurance market in the United States and accounted for more than 7.5% of the nation’s wealth. By 1905, there were an estimated nine million active tontine policies in the U.S., in a country of only 18 million households.2
Sampson Stawell (1741-1819), 1768, Kilbrittain, m. Hester Bernard, Castle Bernard, Bandon. Freeman of Cork 1768.Probably Timothy
Timothy Deasy The Elder (c 1739-), 1793, Barry’s Hall, Timoleague, 1793, Son Timothy and Ann Donovan m Honoria O’Donovan d Cornelius 1759, she had been housekeeper to her brother Rev. Daniel O’Donovn Parish Priest of Clonakilty their grandfather was Daniel O’Donovn of Glandore Castle who in the reign of King James 2 was an MP for Baltimore. His father held lands at Aghamonister, Lissycremin in the Parish of Lislee under the Earl of Shannon, when he was convicted of possessing arms around 1745 and jailed at the South Gate Prison in Cork. His lease was forfeit and the family moved to Clonakilty. Shown 1788 as owner of Pookeen townland, Parish of Drimoleague, adjoining lands Carbery Estate map of Sir John Freke, Bart. Listed supporter of Act of Union, 1799 Son Morgan Deasy Doctor of Physic joint owner of brewery concern with brother Richard his executor Dr. James Donovan M.D. Barry Hall. First Catholics to be J.P.s since the Treaty of Limerick. Family fortune is reputed to be based on smuggling. Daughter Ann married Dr. James Donovan son of Alexander of Squince head of the Clann Lochlann branch second in seniority to the Clann Cathal Sept. Founded brewery in 1807 at Shannon Square, Clonakilty. Superseded 1810-30. Author unpublished memoir re atrocities in Clonakilty in 1798 in particular Captain Hungerford of The Island, Clonakilty.. Son Timothy the Younger 1792 party of pre marriage deed with Anna Maria Barry of Leamara, Tim Deasy, the younger of London and Barry’s Hall, witness Charles McCarthy, Gortnascreena. Related to O’Donovans of Squince, Skibbereen, O’Donovans, O’Donovan’s Cove, Durrus
Rickard Deasy, Superseded 1822, Clonakilty, Brewing family. Deasy, Rickart, Esq., of Clonakilty, to Miss Cotter, at Millstreet – (CMC 8/9/1802). Father Collins, PP Bantry evidence to Parliamentary Enquiry that he had £2,000 per annum when half pay Protestant Officers on £40 per annum were preferred for Quarter Assizes Juries in Bantry. 1828 seeking reform of the House of Commons. Reinstatement supported by Dr John Richard Elmore, Clonakilty. 1822 local fishery committee. 1822 insisted that inquest be held into the killing of Patrick Buckley on a poteen raid commanded by Lieutenant Hungerford of Clonakilty later Yeomanry Sergeant acquitted. 1822 with Dr. Elmore and John Molony seeking Chief Secretary; support for harbour works for poor relief at Ring. Attending dinner Devonshire Arms Hotel for Daniel O’Connell 1839 listed as J.P. Chairman of meeting of Independent Liberal Electors thanking electoral personnel for Impartiality in 1835 elections. The Reformers of the West Riding of Cork to Daniel O’Connell MP to Dinner in Bandon, Co Cork, with 200 Liberals in attendance including, Francis Bernard Beamish MP (1802-1868), Rickard Deasy (1766-1852) Brewer Clonakilty, James Clugston Allman Distiller Bandon, James Redmond Barry J.P., Commissioner for Fisheries, Edward O’Brien, Masonic Lodge Bandon, John Hurley Brewer, Major E. Broderick, Henry Owen Beecher Townsend (1775-1847), Major Mathew Scott J.P. (1779-1844), Philip Harding, Carrigafooka, Macroom, Richard Dowden (1794-1861) Unitarian, Frances Coppinger Esq., Parkview, Bandon. 1849 Dunmanway Union publicly notified that he did not avail of a grant under Land Improvement and Drainage Act 1847 to improve his townlands at Pookeen, Gurrane, Inch and Cilleraine with over 200 paupers.
1812. All forgotten. One of a Group Including the Earl of Bandon Offering a Reward for the Apprehension of Those Responsible for House Burnings at Desertserges. Probably Timothy’s son Rickard.
Henry Wintrop ‘The O’Donovan’ (1812-1890), TCD, MA, DL. Pre 1910, Clann Cathal, Lis Ard, Skibbereen, son Rev. Morgan, Cork ed Dr. Coughlan, m Amelia d ‘The O’Grady’, Courcy O’Grady, Kilbollyowne, Co.Limerick. Son Colonel Morgan William MA, J.P., ‘The O’Donovan’ and Alicia Jones. 1864 Cattle Show West Carbery Agricultural Society, Lissard, Skibbereen held in his grounds. Attending 17 Grand Jury presentments. Supporter Nicholas Leader, Conservative, 1865 County Cork Election. Interest in antiquities. Donor to the church bell fund, 1869, St. Nicholas, Cork. (Cork Daily Southern Reporter 26th March 1869). 1884, signed a protest against the dismissal of Lord Rossmore, head of Orange Order, Monaghan. Probate to Morgan O’Donovan, Lissard, Bishop Gregg, Cork, John Carson, Fellow Trinity College Dublin, £30,292.
Richard Henry Hedges Beecher Esq., (1799-1882), Pre 1838, listed 1838, Hollybrook, Skibbereen, sitting Skibbereen, 1835, Came into possession pre 1833 very neglected set about improving. In re organising compensated tenants according to Ulster Custom. Engaged in road building. Abolished rundale system. Grand Jury Presentment Sessions Schull, 1834. Subscriber Lewis Topographical Dictionary of Ireland 1837. Attending Protestant Conservative Society meeting 1832. Bandon Brunswick Constitutional Club 1828. Non resident Freeman voting in Cork 1837 election. Attending Dunmanway Conservative and anti Repeal Meeting 1845. 1845 promoter Bandon to Bantry Railway. 1843 Freemason, Skibbereen. Anti-Repeal Meeting, Dunmanway 1845. Skibbereen 1847 distress meeting. Presentment sessions Ballydehob 1845. Signed ‘No Popery Petition 1851’. 1866 Freemason Skibbereen 15th Lodge. Long litigation with Lord Bandon added to financial woes over the townland of Rathooragh near Mount Gabriel. Imprisoned but later freed by his creditors 1848. The Hollybrook estate was sold in the Encumbered Estates Court in 1851, 17,000 acres, 42 townlands, 8 parishes, debts in 52 charges amounting to £52,275. The sale realised £52,080. It was estimated that the rent of £4,500 per annum represents only 25% of the value of market rents but two thirds were given long leases on low rents with a capital sum in 1794 to families such as the Ballydehob Swantons. 1839 Freeman’s Journal 15 Feb 1839 “Marriages~On Tuesday last, in Cork, Richard H H Becher, Esq of Hollybrook in that Co., to Melian, daughter of the Rev Morgan O’Donovan of Montpelier (Ronayne’s Court, Douglas, Cork). Freeman of Cork. Melian, daughter of the Rev Morgan O’Donovan of Montpelier (Ronayne’s Court, Douglas, Cork). Freeman of Cork. He became the O’Donovan as did his son Henry Winthrop. 1864 officiated Cattle Show West Carbery Agricultural Society, Lissard, Skibbereen. He became the O’Donovan as did his son Henry Winthrop. Niece Susan Emily Becher Hungerford, informant of death, probate to Richard Becher Hungerford, £217.
1836-1970 West Cork Agricultural Societies and Shows
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